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CoachDW
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My first post Apr 2, 2005 10:18:12 GMT

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Post by CoachDW on Apr 2, 2005 10:18:12 GMT

Hey guys, just got my first head coaching job (jr pee wee pop warner, 10 & 11 yr olds) I am planning on installing the SAB blocking scheme (Jack Gregory) and will run the Double Wing. Have any of you taught the SAB scheme at the youth level before? Also, I plan on running a WEDGE package within the scheme and was wondering if some of you have faced it or ran it at this level. It was extremely effective at the Mitey Mite level, but some of my assistants think it won't be that effective as the kids get older?

Thanks and I look forward to conversing with all of you.

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CYFL Coach
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My first post Apr 2, 2005 12:07:25 GMT

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Post by CYFL Coach on Apr 2, 2005 12:07:25 GMT

Thanks for joining the JCFB youth forum CoachDW. I'm afraid I'm not at all familiar with the SAB scheme or even the double wing itself but I look forward to learning about it from someone who does. Thanks for the post and congratulations on your first head coaching job!

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dbfannwis
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My first post Apr 3, 2005 5:13:12 GMT

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Post by dbfannwis on Apr 3, 2005 5:13:12 GMT

Coach DW,
congrats on the new job, you sound very excited and to me that is step one of a fun and successful season. The severe angle blocking scheme should work fine at that level. however, I don't know that you can bring an entire play program with it. Then again, if you execute properly, who needs a play book, you only need about five plays, run both ways and then a bootleg off the Same action and your up to ten or so and you only need one if they are run right.

One or two things a first time coach should watch for,

1. If your pop warner team is tied to the High School, make sure you are calling plays the way the HS would like them to be called, work with the HS coach every chance you get, I have yet to meet a good HS coach that doesn't want to work with his local youth program
2. Dont't run the T and then quit after a few weeks because the kids aren't catching on, stay with it, it is better to run the thing and be patient and have a soilid offense a few weeks in to a season than to start changing the system and trying to install something else,
3. In the wing -T and at that age, don't be affraid to cut the ball back to an empty side of the line, (your sab side) it will likely go quite a way even with no blocking
4. Put your two best atheletes at QB and FB, Crucial when running the wing t with any blocking scheme.
5. Positive positive positve, teach and coach your kids, neither of you are going to play like professionals.

good luck, feel free to let us know your progress, or ask other questions,

CoachDW
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My first post Apr 3, 2005 7:52:01 GMT

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Post by CoachDW on Apr 3, 2005 7:52:01 GMT

Thanks for the response guys. I chose this offense because in the past as a Def. Coordinator its been a bear to stop when a team ran it well vs my team, plus it seems like it gives a few kids a chance to get quite a few carries. I think its important at this age to make all the kids feel they are as important as the next. This is one reason I'm going to use the SAB blocking scheme. I think its the ultimate team scheme. I still plan on drilling in fundamentals & repetition (75 snaps a practice with QB center, extra attention on fakes, etc.), but at the same time I want to make it fun.

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TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	My first post Apr 3, 2005 9:30:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on Apr 3, 2005 9:30:04 GMT What is the SAB blocking scheme? Coach Easton
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luvdemlinemen Member Posts: 82	My first post Apr 3, 2005 16:40:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by luvdemlinemen on Apr 3, 2005 16:40:23 GMT Coach, don't know if you have seen this yet, but here is a link to an article on Severe Angle Blocking (we call it track blocking) you may find interesting. www.y-coach.com/severe.html
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TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	My first post Apr 3, 2005 16:51:17 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on Apr 3, 2005 16:51:17 GMT ldl, Thanks, thats what I wanted to know SAB=Severe Angle Blocking. I call it tracking too, whats all the new terminology? Coach Easton
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Tomahawg
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My first post Apr 4, 2005 11:08:13 GMT

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Post by Tomahawg on Apr 4, 2005 11:08:13 GMT

Coach,

I ran the Swing last year and I ran the wedge series. We had great success at the 11/12 year old group. I have seen several other teams in our age group run it with outstanding results.

As far as SAB, I am going to try it this year in my power series. The 30 degree angle, gives it the severe name. Should be good for Olines that don't have the size advantage as well as teaching the line to get down the track into the next level.

1 thing about the wedge, The only defensive success that I have seen against it, is submarining linemen into the gaps. That will stop the wedge. This year my line will be taught to get there feet up and go over such tactics(ouch).

The other thing, get your back low into the wedge and have him practice patience. It's not a dive or power. It's amazing to watch a kid pop out of wedge and go in untouched.

Good Luck

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CoachDW Junior Member Posts: 8	My first post Apr 4, 2005 12:29:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by CoachDW on Apr 4, 2005 12:29:45 GMT Tomahawg, Thanks for the input. I also am going to teach the high step blocking technique for the wedge package. It won't be fun getting stepped on. LOL
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Beetle
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My first post Apr 4, 2005 14:28:40 GMT

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Post by Beetle on Apr 4, 2005 14:28:40 GMT

Luv:
Thanks for the link to the slam/sab article. The site looks very good. It appears that it is just an "x" down-blocking scheme. Coach Freeborn's scheme is similiar with a motioning wingback getting the elom, but, his angle is closer to 45 degrees.
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saintrad
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My first post Apr 4, 2005 23:32:06 GMT

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Post by saintrad on Apr 4, 2005 23:32:06 GMT

Coach DW-

I have a clinic tape from Coach Markham who ran the Double Wing very successfully for years and had great success with teams that were "bad" the year before. The only warning I have is that is a very very very very long tape and is kind of dry, but talks about everything you can imagine about the DW. Just give me a holler on my email : wheeler_keith_d@msn.com and I will try to get it copied and off to you.

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coach Trover
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My first post Apr 7, 2005 10:07:16 GMT

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Post by coach Trover on Apr 7, 2005 10:07:16 GMT

coach,
you will find the SAB blocking scheme and the wedge will work fine at your level. I've run both up through the 14-15year old level with a lot of success, as the kids get older we use a gap-on-down scheme as our main blocking rule, but will sab if we are facing a strange defense or a lot of blitzing. I feel the best way to make the DW go with the SAB blocking is to have your best back at the B back and very good blockers at TE.
Your TE will be down blocking on DT most plays and must be committed to getting the job done. My first year running the DW our TE were converted wideouts and didn't really like to block, we moved our 2nd team fullback and guard to TE which made a huge difference.
Good luck
Randy

mikefinch
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My first post Apr 8, 2005 6:52:57 GMT

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Post by mikefinch on Apr 8, 2005 6:52:57 GMT

Hi Coaches,

I too am looking at the double wing for a smallish 11/12 year old team. My first decision is whether to use SAB blocking (Coach Gregory)OR GOD (Gap on Down) (Coach Calande) on the playside. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Ran with pro style with OIL (On inside LB) last year and was generally ineffective.

Also, I coach in Ontario, Canada so we play 4 down, have a 1 yard neutral zone, have 12 men, and have unlimited motion by backs. This gives me lots of flexibility to adapt the DW. Any ideas what you would do?

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Post by CoachDW on Apr 2, 2005 10:18:12 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Apr 3, 2005 16:51:17 GMT

Post by Tomahawg on Apr 4, 2005 11:08:13 GMT

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Post by Beetle on Apr 4, 2005 14:28:40 GMT

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