I have not had to face that defense yet! We mainly see versions of the 4-4 and 5-2. From what I've read and heard is you treat it similar to the 5-3 defense. Off-tackle game(FB Down play and FB Belly Cross block, off-tackle gut play off of bucksweep action, etc.) Quick hitters are what I hear works well. For wing-t info. I mainly get my info. from bucksweep.com or jetsweep.com both sites talk frequently about wing-t vs. 3-3-5 or 3-5 and many other defenses, etc. Good luck.
have you thought about implemting any option in your offense. the midline is not difficult to add to your wing-T. The combination of trap, sweep and waggle is deadly; but i recommend some midline. The triple veer is probably too much work.
the belly is a FANTASTIC play. Run belly weak, but tag some sort of long motion (not orbit motion) to the play. This will draw the force or weak LB out and then the belly hits so quick with your wing man blocking the mike LB. excellent play.
you may want to add some "non traditional" wing T motions to your set. We run belly our of double slot with an orbit motion for the back to get to pitch relationship. But our better success comes form running flat motion to trips (or just line up in trips). Our wing eats up the LB and it does not take a great block to free the RB for 5 + yds.
Trap them!! Trap Right: Have both offensive tackles dip and rip the LBer's over the tackles, have the center and Right guard double the nose and then have the right guard slip up to the middle backer. Have the left guard trap the right DE. This has been a great play vs. 33
I have been wanting to try running a loaded belly option to the weak side vs. the 33
In a Delaware "Red" formation have the Slot WB and left tackle double team the DE, slip off to the middle backer if they need to, have the left guard pull and log WLBer. Zone backside from center to TE: Sally steps backside(great counter off this play). Have the FB fake belly and block middle backer. Pitch off the OLBer with QB and WB running the option. WR stalk blocks corner.
Tell me what you think?
1. Keep your bucksweep to the strong side so they keep slanting to strength.
2. TRAP & TRAP
3. Run your halfbacks in long motion to the weakside to get trips, not orbit motion, so that they will kick out their OLBs or follow you if you are in man. Then run your belly play there. The Rover wil have to kick out and the OLB will then have force. and you run inside him with 3 blockers on 3.
*another blocking scheme we use in our belly play is that the G will kick out the DE and the OT will fold inside on the Mike Backer.
*another blocking scheme we use in our belly it to base the T on DE, influence the Mike by pulling outside and folding the BSG around the center for the Mike.
What we do is try to run our SAME plays with variations of blocking schemes. We will just tag our blocking.
Here is the best way to defeat the 33 stack and 50 defenses for that matter, you must create a 4 man blocking surface. How we do it two main ways:
1. We run unbalanced line. We bring our tackle over and align the TE next to him leaving the other TE and guard on the other side.
2. We will place the wing in the B gap with the guard, tackle and TE.
The question is now why?
-They must move the defensive line down one spot to adjust to the unbalanced. If they do they are now in a 40 look and not in a 50 any longer. If they do not: then you out number them to the point of attack
Then the final way we hurt them is by using formations that do not involve a TE. We run double wing and both SEs over. We run empty double wing sets. This will get them out of the 5-3 defense. Anytime you use a slot formation and a TE or SE to the other side they have to move some one out. Who? The OLB or the safety. It does not matter. They will only have 7 men in the box to defend the run. These are cheap ways to get what you want and they do not cost you anything. No time or extra practice and the best part is:
1. You are dictating once again to the defense
2. You are not adjusting blocking schemes or putting in new plays. NO new learning.
Hope this helps
We dont lose any games we just run out of time.
One thing we have done is run QB ISO off of belly action slot goes in motion. QB reverses out pokes belly and Fullback Iso blocks the OLB qb should be One on one with the safety this is out of double slot formation. IMHO the 3-3 or 3-5 or 5-3 is nothing new. Coach Mountjoy will tell you to get in double tight and pound them off tackle ever wing-t coach runs either down or power and both these plays should be successful vs. this defense.
3-5 Stack teams HATE 2 TE's. I wonder what they would do IF you ran the conventional Delaware Wing-T from 2 TE & 2 Wing set?
The great Wing-T coaches of the past (Forrest Evashevski at Iowa; Nelson & Raymond at Del.)., ALL had the ability to do that.
If none of you have seen the Iowa Wing-T (around 1960) - it was a thing of beauty. National Champions. IMO they ran it BETTER than Delaware EVER did!
Evashevski & Dave Nelson co-authored a FANTASTIC book (complete with photo sequence pics of the plays) that is are out of print, but can still be found at bookfinder.com
Author is Evashevski, Forest & Nelson, David M.
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IMO. The best Wing T coach I know and learned from and still learning a lot from is Herschel Mooore. I feel he is way ahead of his time and was the one who started to run the wing t using unconventional ways. He is the one that is responsible for giving the jet sweep to Tubby Raymond at Delaware. I going to have the grat pleasure of meeting and speaking with him this April. I am flying down to TN to spend a great deal of 1 on 1 time with him and pick his brain. I can not wait. He is in his 80's and sharper than ever. I can only hope I can share what I learn from him with others. He is all about giving back to football.
We dont lose any games we just run out of time.