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The butt must stay on the bench or they will put too much stress on their back. They can arch the small of the back as much as they want to gain a mechanical advantage but I was told but many strength coaches to keep the butt on the bench for the reason stated above.
Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something.---Plato
seems to me that as soon as you lift your butt you are doing a DECLINE PRESS!
Coaches, I truly believe that you should have your kids buy into the INCLINE PRESS more than a bench press. Everything we teach is about striking ON THE RISE!
Heck, get rid of the straight bar too and get them using dumbbells.
Dumbbells also enable athletes to work out muscular imbalances. I feel that DB use is absolutely essential for younger (middle school) lifters for this reason.
Quote Originally posted by: RushLB49 seems to me that as soon as you lift your butt you are doing a DECLINE PRESS!
Coaches, I truly believe that you should have your kids buy into the INCLINE PRESS more than a bench press. Everything we teach is about striking ON THE RISE!
Heck, get rid of the straight bar too and get them using dumbbells.
I feel, in the current "functional" craze of the last few years, that the bench press and variations have really received a bad reputation. I still feel that the bench press and variations are the best weighted exercises to develop overall upper body strength.
I like incline press for the very reason that RushLB49 stated. However, we will always keep the bench as a core test lift because I believe that it is the king of the upper body lifts and, let's face it, the kids love doing it!
govert, I think the only reason kids get into it is because it keeps being sold to them. Start selling them on cleans/ squats etc and watch what happens. There is no doubt that it tests upper body strength but it also puts lots of stress on your shoulders. I can't lift my arms w/o clicks and pops. But the reason I'm into dumbbells is for the reasons already stated. In football you work those arms independently so you should train those stabilizer muscles. It also is training our kids to get their hands into proper position. I don't ever want my kids training something that i hope they never do on the field. I totally understand where you are coming from though, and I usually agree with your viewpoints.
Quote Originally posted by: RushLB49 govert, I think the only reason kids get into it is because it keeps being sold to them. Start selling them on cleans/ squats etc and watch what happens. There is no doubt that it tests upper body strength but it also puts lots of stress on your shoulders. I can't lift my arms w/o clicks and pops. But the reason I'm into dumbbells is for the reasons already stated. In football you work those arms independently so you should train those stabilizer muscles. It also is training our kids to get their hands into proper position. I don't ever want my kids training something that i hope they never do on the field. I totally understand where you are coming from though, and I usually agree with your viewpoints.
RushLB49 -
I know where you are coming from with the shoulder-pain thing. I experience a great deal of pain with barbell shoulder press. For that reason, we only use DBs for shoulder press now. Also, we only do full-ROM bench press for 2 weeks out of a 12-week macrocycle. The rest of the time, we are working incline press and various board presses.
I agree with you that the bench press is certainly sold heavily to kids. Hell, up until 6 months ago (before I got smart and started reading posts from you, groundchuck, Jimbo, and others), I was one of the ones doing the selling!
Ever since I started reading the posts here and at some of the other favorite sites of JCFB posters, I have a new appreciation for squats, deads, GHR, SLDL, and all of those other muscles that don't necessarily show up in the mirror but are essential for athletic success.
As far as the bench press goes you can not replace it with any other lifts including the incline, however I do think the incline is very important. Dummbbells should be used on the light days, the second day of chest training. Arching your back is a must in order to correctly perform the bench press. By not arching you are putting more stress on your front deltoids thus weakening your press. YOUR EARLIER posts about keeping the butt on the bench is very important and correct. I do like the idea of using dumbbells to reinforce thumbs up.