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The ride-and-decide has been good to us. I know many others prefer the "point method." Of course, where the mesh takes place depends on the option (midline, ISV, OSV). I'm assuming that you are talking about what takes place once the QB and RB are at the mesh point.
QB---extend the ball towards the RB, allowing him to run through the ball; ride the RB no further than your front knee; give unless the dive key commits to the RB
RB---make the pocket big; squeeze down on the ball like you are holding a bird; hold it too tight and you kill the bird (QB has a tough time getting the ball out of there), hold it too loose and the bird flies away (you will have a tough time holding on to the football after the QB gives it); must stay on your path until you are past the mesh point
We have not run the option in the past. We have run the double dive and it has been pretty good to us, however, I think we will run the inside veer this year as I think it could be a great play for us. We will probably not use midline or OSV. Since we are not a fulltime option team, is either method more fitting? Which is easier to learn / master?
midline is the easiest of the options to learn/run, especially if you run it as a double option.
ISV is difficult to master because of the complexity of looks that you'll get from the defense.
OSV is the toughest to master because of several factors...(1) the combination block between the PST and slot takes time for them to get good at it, (2) the QB needs lots of reps getting to the mesh and reading the dive key (read key), (3) the RB (dive back) needs lots of reps getting to the mesh, (4) in general, the mesh itself needs a lot of work simply because it takes place at a different angle than ISV.
For us, running all three has helped our offense go from good to explosive. The defense can take away 1 option, sometimes 2, but all 3 can NEVER be taken away...the defense can't be right. Now, add in a BEST OPTION package that includes all three (midline, ISV and OSV), then you can be unstoppable.
We are purely an option team...we have two run game series. One series contains our 'dive/dive options' (midline, zone dive, ISV, OSV). Our other series contains all of our counters (trap, HB counter, counter option). Lead option is a special play for us. That's it...in terms of run game. Our pass game is equally simple...over 90% of it is P/A off the ISV; and, we only run a handful of routes. We keep it very simple and we try to execute very well. This philosophy has worked very well for us.
(1) QUICK ACTION. QB takes a 1-step drop after the fake to the RB.
POP pass to the PSHB (slot)
SLANT to the PSWR
BACKSIDE SLANT to the BSWR
(2) PLAY ACTION. QB takes a 3-step drop after the fake to the RB.
SEAM pass to the PSHB
BEND route to the PSHB (PSHB runs vertical for 10, bends out at 15)
WHEEL to the PSHB (We reduce the split of the WR and run him up the seam)
BACKSIDE POST to the BSWR
KC
unfortunately, I do not think that I can help you at all because our primary offense is the jet series. The triple option is something that we run but not as a staple. Actually, this is the first year that we are going to run the true triple option. In past years we ran ISV with predetermined call with only one read for our QB.
We are getting a little more into the option.
Coach Nicholson,
I hope so I am just not sure we can dedicate the time that we need to it. Last year we averaged 40 pts a game and out rushed every team by over 800 yards. But we can not get past that next level in the State's. We are competitive but can not win. I am hoping the option will get us over the edge.
ANY TIPS/suggestions I am willing to listen and learn
Here come the questions
4-4 with the ISV - Read Key is the DE
Pitch Key is the OLB
Running it from the double slot the guard and tackle double DT the wing has the ILB what do you do it the OLB blitzes the C gap? WIng will never get to the Ilb
Are you saying the OLB DE are responsible for the same gap? Or is the DE pinching into the B-gap? Either way, who is the force player?
I'll assume that if the OLB is blitzing the C, that the DE is in the B.
By rule, the PST (Inside) would block the DE. Since the dive key/read key/#1 is being blocked, QB pulls it and pitches off the OLB/pitch key/#2. The RB would do his best to work up to the ILB (although it is rare that he would get there). Since the OLB is blitzing the C-gap, then he would likely have the QB, forcing a pitch. The pitch back is now in a footrace with the ILB and FS. I don't like this because too many defenders are either unaccounted for or have great angles on our OL.
The LOOP variation would be pretty good if you still want to run ISV against that. The PSG has the DT; PST loops the B-gap DE to the ILB; HB (slot) blocks the FS; DE is dive key (#1); OLB is pitch key (#2). Again, it will probably be a pull and a pitch. This time everyone is accounted for pretty soundly.
OSV would be a descent audible against this. PSG has the DT; PST has the DE (#1); PSHB takes the easy release to the ILB; OLB (#2/EMLOS) is the dive key; WR cracks the FS; CB is the pitch key.
LEAD OPTION would be a good play if the OLB is blitzing too fast for the QB/RB to get to the mesh. PSG has the DT; PST has the DE (#1); PSHB takes the easy release to the ILB; OLB (#2/EMLOS) is the pitch key; RB leads; BSHB (slot) is still the pitchback. WR can stalk the CB (RB would lead on FS) or WR can crack the FS (RB would lead on CB).
That is how we would attack that stunt. It might not be the best way...just our way.
I am very interested in other replies to this question.
KC,
One other question - I had the opportunity to read your post on the other thread in regards to the 3-3stack and how to block it.
PST responsible for B gap
Who is your wing/TE responsible for?
Who is your pitch Key?
If DT pinches hard does OT stay with him?
Much of that depends on the specific alignments of the defenders.
If the DT's are in 3-techniques, then midline is a good play.
If the DT's are not in 3-techniques, then you could run ISV. DE is the dive key (#1), OLB is the pitch key (#2). PSG, PST have the DT and ILB (if the ILB plugs). PSHB (slot) walls the ILB (if the ILB scrapes) or the FS (if the ILB plugs).
If all 4 LB's are stacked, then lead option with a load concept is pretty good. PSG, PST have the DT and BSILB. PSHB blocks the OLB (#2). WR blocks the CB. RB leads, looks inside for the PSILB. QB pitches off #1 (DE) to the BSHB.
Just reading the posts on this thread. I see where you state the read vs. a 4-4 is the DE and that is true, most of the time. But, a team that is well versed in defending the ISV, will often times walk a backer up in the gap. not on the LOS, but in a close 40 technique. HE NOW BECOMES YOUR QB'S READ, AS THE RULE IS THAT YOUR READ IS ALWAYS THE FIRST MAN OUTSIDE THE B GAP, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. Thought that may help you some day.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
A quick question on blocking any option pass - Slot releases and only 2 linemen to that side do you use your FB as another Blocker. Any trouble with pressure off from the edge?
I ALWAYS AM GOING TO BLOCK THE BACKSIDE END, NO MATTTR WHAT. I PLAYED QB LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW HOW IT IS TO GET BLINDSIDED BY A HARD CHARGING BSDE THAT COMES AS A FREE RUNNER!
As Norm Chow says: We are going to do our best to put a hat on everyone they bring!
Bill Walsh says: They probably won't send everyone they have in the box, BUT YOU BETTER HAVE A PLAN IF THEY DO!
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
ADDED THOUGHT: We often times block the edges with a back, but I also use motion to accomplish the block as well. When you use the motoin, you will be giving up a receiver from the pattern, but that's all right in my opinion.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
You probably will not appreciate the "point method" as much as I do if you were not a QB. However, when you see it in action, as a coach, I really think you will appreciate it. Will be very interested in knowing your reaction when you get back from Carson Newman.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Coach Easton,
Running the double slot formation, faking the triple with the fullback filling B gap the opposite wing starting his whip motion and front side wing as the primary route runner.
How would you pass protect to be sure that you can account for the Pressure off from the frontside against any Defense where they are bringing 3 to that side and the center has a nose.
Hope explained that so it makes sense.
Thanks
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, but I just now found your question. In the scenario you describe from the double slot with one back, I would put a hat on everybody they send! I would send the back to account for the free runner from the side they are sending 3, and check release him into the pattern. You can always give up a receiver and motion him to where he is needed to block, an alternative I don't like to utilize but sometimes find it neccessary. If your QB is a kid who can deal at the QB position, and you really want the primary to have the ball, just roll out your qb and slide protect to the side he is on.
Forget all the fancy schemes you read about and teach your kids when ever they really have to make their blocks in critical situation, just know WHO you would block in base man and go to him and put a hat on him!!!
It has been my experience in 42 years on the field coaching, that high school kids, when given TOO MUCH to think about , tend to be hesitant and slow. Teach them, when up against a scheme they have not practiced for, or maybe never even seen that alignment before, just flat out COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR TEAMMATE. If it is nothing more than: "I got him, you got him,etc." just make certain no defender comes free unabated to your QB! Just a suggestion, as always, but even at our level it is still our rule of thumb!
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Coach Easton,
Have you seen Carson Newman or other schools run ISV with the Tackles with huge splits? If so I am interested in learning more. Unfortunately at the clinic I came in late when the Coach from Carson Newman was explaining it.
Coach Easton,
I also had a question for you on the point method vs the ride and decide. I posted it on Coach huey's site as well. As I was looking at it the qb pointing the ball at his read key seemed in my opinion to make it tough for the fullback to get to the ball. Was I doing it right?
First question: My son played for Clemson under HC Ken Hatfield, the coach who is responsible for the flex bone. They had Florida State beat with less than 3 minutes to go in the game when a turnover caused their downfall when Charlie Ward captialized on their mistake and brought them a win by 2 points! The reason I mention tis is because they were temendously successful the entire night by utiling big line splits all across the front. The reason anyone widens out is to create bigger running lanes for the RB and to put the defender in such a position to be more or less on an island with little or no help.
The answer to your second question: Yes, you were probably not doing the point technique correctly, as there should never be any problem with the dive back reaching the mesh point. Just have your Qb always release at 6 o clock with hs playside foot and in one rhythm movement gather, his opposite foot to his backfoot and attack his read in a down hill posture, with the ball fully extended toward his read man the instant he steps down hill. Now, on the OSV it will be necessary to make that extra step down hill because of the distance of your read to the QB. Thus, he brings the ball from his third hand, always with two pressure points on the ball, to a position that is directly in front of his numbers and just about 6 inches in front of them. He then continues his down field attack at his read (emlos in the OSV) and when he gets there he shoots the ball outward to a fully extended position just as on the ISV. If he wants the DB to have it, he merely leaves it in the extended position and the DB closes down on it in his cradle, without EVER REACHING FOR IT! HE WILL DELIVER THE BALL AT THE LIP OF THE HOLE OR ACTUALLY I PREFER THEM TO BE RIGHT UP IN THE HOLE. IN BOTH INSTANCES, IF IT IS A PULL HE PULLS IT AND THE DB JUST CARRIES OUT HIS FAKE WITHOUT EVER TOUCHING THE BALL AND BLOCKS, AS THE QB GETS UPFIELD TO HIS NEXT READ.
Hope this helps you.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE