No outside veer?

COACH K,

I ran the isv-osv for long years. I do not see how you run the ISV without running OSV. You question the read difficulty: the real truth, coach, is it is a much EASIER read than the ISV because your reading only the EMLOS. As you know a QB has two reads on the ISV. I really think that the reticence to run OSV much is the trend to run the Load against DE's these days. But, make no mistake, if your going to run the ISV, the OSV is the perfect compliment! Yes, it is susceptable to a lot of different ways to defend it, but if you have a good OL who is coached correctly in the way to BLOCK it against all the various and sundry defensive approaches, you can't beat it in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, there is a time to run load of course, but not all the time!

Coach Easton

Would not have an offense without the outside veer. I have ran it from the splitback, the i formation, and the flexbone. It puts defenders in a different bind than all the other options. It is a great play from split backs, but a different but effective play from the other formations. It is the best goalline running play going, period! When defenses are plugging backers in a/b gap, it is our go-to play.

Base plays in my offense(No matter what formation) :
Midline
Inside Veer
Outside Veer
COunter Trap
G-Belly
Counter
Toss

I'm not an expert on Veer history, but wasn't the outside veer "invented' to take advantage of the 4 tech DTs in the 50 front? In our philosophy, if a 50 defense is playing with a 5 tech DT, we keep running IV. If he moves to a 4 tech alignment, we are going to run OV. So, versus an odd defense we're going to pair those plays together. Against even and split fronts, we prefer to pair inside veer with some variation of the midline.

Lou,
What is it you dont like about combo blocking? In highschool my coach never taught us combo blocking and now that I have learned about combo blocking I wonder what they were thinking.

Hey Lou, it took you SIX years to get through high school? Your not the sharpest tack in the box, eh? Oh well, a SIX YEAR DIPLOMA IS STILL BETTER THAN NOT HAVING ANYTHING I GUESS. Hehehehe, just ragging on you, relax!

Jerry

Captain, when I DID run it, I liked it vs. a pinching 4 technique or a 4i technique. I DID not like it vs. an odd stack look whether it would be the modern-day 3-5 or an old-fashioned 5-3 stack.

John,

You want a team to stop blitzing. Run the triple option. Coach Campbell has a saying about blitzing vs. a triple option team. "You might stop us once, you might stop us twice, you might stop us three times, but the fourth time we're going 85 yards for a touchdown." If you blitz an option team, your linebackers will over-run the dive, not be able to get out there on the keep, and it limits the pursuit angles if the ball is pulled. Ok, now we've solved that problem.

You want a team to stop slanting. Run the triple option out of a double slot formation. Now, where are they going to slant? You are not giving them a strong side by which to slant. If they want to play Russian Roulette by slanting to a predetermined side, fine. They might stop you once, they might stop you twice, they might stop you three times. The fourth time, they are going to slant themselves out of a play where you go 85 yards for a touchdown. Now, you may ask if they are going to slant to the motion. If you run two step motion pre-snap, the defense has no time to adjust. I've coordinated offenses and I've coordinated defenses. You cannot tell your athletes to adjust to quick motion like that, because by the time they call out motion, the ball is snapped. Ok, now we've solved that problem.

John, it's a preference I have based on playing and coaching experience. You have me misunderstood. I AM AVOIDING HAVING OUR ATHLETES TO HAVE TO BASE BLOCK SOMEONE AT THE POINT OF ATTACK. We use rule blocking to prevent confusion. We don't line up and block the guy in front of us by ourselves very often, if ever. Our system is based on down blocking, double teams, veer releasing to the linebackers, pulling, trapping, scoop blocking, and cutoff blocking. My athletes are going to be absolutely sure who they are to block on every, single play. If they block the wrong defender, that's their fault. We can lead our athletes to water... once we do that, it's their turn to figure it out!

Combo blocking is something that MANY people do. It's just something that I know is difficult to do unless you are a FULL ZONE BLOCKING TEAM. I do not coach ZONE BLOCKING. The man who runs this board can teach Zone Blocking at the high school level as well as anyone. He knows how I feel about zone blocking, and he's battled with me on it; however, it is not the best way to go at the high school level, because of the skill involved.

Feel free to rebut, John. I said we had to have more intense discussions on this board in an earlier post today, and now we have one. Hope all is well. Take care.

Anyone ever tried OSV from gun?

To Coach Easton:

I guess we have another semantics issue again. My playing career did include junior high ball. I should have clearly stated that I played offensive tackle in grades 7-12.

But, since we're ragging on the young guy, I'm going to have my fun ragging on Grandpa Easton (AKA Big Poppa Easton).

Coach Easton, You're so old that your MEMORY is black and white.
You're so old that you went to high school with FRED FLINTSTONE.
You're so old that you took your driver's test on a DINOSAUR.

So much for my big post on professionalism... I just created a paradox. We'll have to start talking football again after this post.

sls,
No gun option experience here outside of simple speed option plays. I look forward to learning along with you.

for mg and others,

do you feel that outside veer and the belly g option are both necessary to attack the defense? Do you use them to attack the same type of defensive action or do they have their own unique advantages?

Chad,

How could a guy who is lined up on the offensive tackle pinching down cause problems when the play is being run off-tackle? We are kicking out the next player past him, which is the outside linebacker/invert/overhang player. I refer to this player as the contain player. Our slot is going to block down on the pinching 5 tech. The 5 tech. will be taking himself out of the play.

It sounds like you thought we would kick out the 5 tech. We are not kicking out the 5 tech, we are having the slot block down on him and we are having the fullback kick out the contain player with the backside guard leading up the hole.

I hope this clarified everything.

I'll tell you what... my body right now feels like I played 15 years of high school football! The worst of it is, I never got to play any other offensive position other than offensive tackle. I think that's really depressing.

coach cella,

you were right, I was assuming you were kicking out the end man on the l.o.s.
What are your base rules for Power? Do you always block the 5 down with the slot or is that an adjustment made because he is pinching so much.