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reno6 Member Posts: 94	Cross block Feb 24, 2006 12:56:06 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by reno6 on Feb 24, 2006 12:56:06 GMT Does anyone out there X block or cross block the playside D tackle when running an Iso play vs. a 50 front?
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govertical Senior Member Posts: 581	Cross block Feb 24, 2006 13:04:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by govertical on Feb 24, 2006 13:04:04 GMT Coach - Are you talking about running offtackle? We will run a crossblock offtackle against a 50 when we have a TE in the formation. TE will block down on the 4 tech and the OT will basically quick trap the DE.

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Cross block Feb 24, 2006 13:58:23 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Feb 24, 2006 13:58:23 GMT

Coach,

If you are running it with a LEAD BLOCKER, like say out of the "I", an x block takes too long to develop, IMO and when it is made the lead blocker will be in the hole which makes "to many butts in the hole" for the Ball Carrier to have any room to run. Just my opinion.

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reno6 Member Posts: 94	Cross block Feb 25, 2006 10:12:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by reno6 on Feb 25, 2006 10:12:35 GMT If the D tackle is playing in the or shaded toward the Iso hole would you advise leaving the center to take the nose by himself and the guard and tackle double the D tackle? When would you use a Cross block?
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Cross block Feb 25, 2006 11:15:19 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Feb 25, 2006 11:15:19 GMT

Reno6,

I would not X block ever on an ISO for the reason I just posted above. Depending upon the defense, of course, and it is IMPOSSIBLE TO FORMULATE AN INTELIGENT ANSWER WITHOUT KNOWING THAT, At least it is for me. We just turn out on the DT, have the guard turn his man in (away from the hole) whoever has him covered, send the FB straight through to the LB who will come hard scraping most usually and give the RB the ball. Depending on what the defense is doing to stop your use of the play, we often times just bring the BSG as a wrapper to lead up into the hole and run it just like 26 power.

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Cross block Feb 25, 2006 11:18:46 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Feb 25, 2006 11:18:46 GMT

Added thought Reno:

We usually use an x block when we need the TE to block down and the T kick out the DE, or on more slowly developing plays that allows the hole to be cleared before the big jam up occurs with the RB arriving at the same time as the blockers.

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Cross block Feb 25, 2006 12:12:23 GMT

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Post by govertical on Feb 25, 2006 12:12:23 GMT

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Originally posted by: TIGER ONE
Added thought Reno:

We usually use an x block when we need the TE to block down and the T kick out the DE, or on more slowly developing plays that allows the hole to be cleared before the big jam up occurs with the RB arriving at the same time as the blockers.

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Tiger -

This is what we typically do when running offtackle out of a oneback set.

Agreed with what you said about crossblocking on an iso play...too many "fingers in the pie". IMO, you should not have to cross block on an iso play. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?

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Cross block Feb 25, 2006 12:20:41 GMT

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Post by govertical on Feb 25, 2006 12:20:41 GMT

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Originally posted by: reno6
If the D tackle is playing in the or shaded toward the Iso hole would you advise leaving the center to take the nose by himself and the guard and tackle double the D tackle?

When would you use a Cross block?

Coach -

We will only crossblock when, like Tiger said, we are running out of a oneback set. IMO, you should not have to crossblock when running iso.

If the DT is playing in the hole, what we will do is run quick trap out of a oneback set. The OT and TE will double the DT to the playside LB and the playside OG will pull and trap the DE. C takes the NT.

The other thing we will do is get the TE out of the formation. If the DT still lines up in the offtackle hole, we will run A gap and B gap until the defense adjusts.

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Cross block Feb 25, 2006 14:52:10 GMT

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Post by govertical on Feb 25, 2006 14:52:10 GMT

Another good play against a odd front defense with a DT who sits in the C gap is some kind of dart or counter trey:

----------------------------FS

C-----------W------------M-------SS----------------C
-------------------V---V-------V--------V--V
X------------------QT-QG-C-SG-ST-Y
-----------R-------------------------------------------Z
----------------------------QB--T

-QB will ride fake to T going left
-ST & Y double team DT to SS
-C & SG double team NT to Mike
-QG traps strong side DE
-QT pulls and leads up the 6 hole (or whatever you call your offtackle hole)
-QB pulls ball back from T, T carries out play fake to the left, and QB follows QT through 6 hole

With that being said, I think that the BEST way to attack a wide DT is to simple punch the A and B gaps until the defense adjusts. A trap run the the B gap would be an OUTSTANDING play against that wide DT.

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Cross block Feb 26, 2006 8:06:43 GMT

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Post by reno6 on Feb 26, 2006 8:06:43 GMT

Im not saying a wide D tackle, Im saying a inside shade or slanting D tackle

------------------------W-------M-------SS

C------------------E---T---N----T-----E--------------------C
X-------------------T--G--C--G--T--TE----------------------
----------------------------Q--------------------------------Z
----------------------------FB-------------------------------
----------------------------HB

WHAT WOULD YOU TELL YOUR PLAYSIDE CENTER, GUARD, AND TACKLE ON A STRONGSIDE ISO. EVERYONE' SAYING DON'T CROSS BLOCK, BUT KNOWONE'S SAYING HOW TO BLOCK IT.

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Cross block Feb 26, 2006 9:38:59 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Feb 26, 2006 9:38:59 GMT

Reno,

In the diagram you gave I would:

Base the backside, center has the cutoff on the nose, G & T combo the 5 tech and slide to the Mike, turn out on the DE, send the FB straight through to the SS and give to the RB. Simple, not sophisticated at all, but who cares? It will work great, try it!

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TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	Cross block Feb 26, 2006 9:42:20 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on Feb 26, 2006 9:42:20 GMT RENO, Forgot to tell you to cut your X's split down and have him crack the Will LB. Other wise he can avoid the jams and just come down the line laterally unabated to the ball carrier. Coach Easton
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TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	Cross block Feb 26, 2006 9:45:00 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on Feb 26, 2006 9:45:00 GMT Reno, Also just noticed that the DT is in a 4i, not a 5 as I gave blocking info above. Makes no difference, block it the same way I described. Coach Easton
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Cross block Feb 26, 2006 14:30:23 GMT

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Post by govertical on Feb 26, 2006 14:30:23 GMT

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Originally posted by: reno6
Im not saying a wide D tackle, Im saying a inside shade or slanting D tackle

------------------------W-------M-------SS

C------------------E---T---N----T-----E--------------------C
X-------------------T--G--C--G--T--TE----------------------
----------------------------Q--------------------------------Z
----------------------------FB-------------------------------
----------------------------HB

WHAT WOULD YOU TELL YOUR PLAYSIDE CENTER, GUARD, AND TACKLE ON A STRONGSIDE ISO. EVERYONE' SAYING DON'T CROSS BLOCK, BUT KNOWONE'S SAYING HOW TO BLOCK IT.

Reno -

Sorry for the confusion...thought you meant that the playside DT was in the offtackle gap. My bad!

What we would do if we wanted to run offtackle against that look is to get out of a two-back set. We would take the FB out and put in a slot receiver. That would pull an LB out and then run quick trap (old Wing-T G-Out play) to the playside. C gets the NT, PSOT blocks down on shaded DT, TE gets PSLB, and PSOG traps DE.

So I guess what I'm saying is that we wouldn't run iso if the defense gives that look. However, if you HAD to run iso, what I would do is this:

C - NT
PSOG - Mike
PSOT - block down on shaded DT
TE - Turn out DE
FB - Lead on Sam

reno6 Member Posts: 94	Cross block Feb 26, 2006 17:12:08 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by reno6 on Feb 26, 2006 17:12:08 GMT It's an ISO. Not off-tackle. youguys are cracking me up.
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comet Member Posts: 154	Cross block Feb 27, 2006 8:17:44 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by comet on Feb 27, 2006 8:17:44 GMT Are you calling anything in C-Gap offtackle, and anything tighter than that ISO? ISO in C-gap is still an ISO to most of us. Just get in twins to remove a LBer and run ISO (C-Gap), or Counter/Power.
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reno6 Member Posts: 94	Cross block Feb 27, 2006 18:41:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by reno6 on Feb 27, 2006 18:41:45 GMT I'm just wondering what you tell your kids if this happens. Say I call an Iso and they slant towards it or give a "TNT" look.
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govertical Senior Member Posts: 581	Cross block Feb 27, 2006 19:08:14 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by govertical on Feb 27, 2006 19:08:14 GMT quote: Originally posted by: reno6 I'm just wondering what you tell your kids if this happens. Say I call an Iso and they slant towards it or give a "TNT" look. In that case, you are probably screwed.

billatlas Senior Member Posts: 226	Cross block Feb 28, 2006 9:27:47 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by billatlas on Feb 28, 2006 9:27:47 GMT That's why I run it to the bubble.

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Cross block Feb 28, 2006 11:35:16 GMT

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Post by joboo59 on Feb 28, 2006 11:35:16 GMT

Reno,

My blocking rules go something like this...

C and G combo N to W
T scoops, cuts, holds, tackles the 4i DT
TE slips to SS
FB Iso's M

I have also seen where the T slips under the DT (usually a 4 or 5, not a 4i) and lanes the M with the FB kicking out the DT.

Hope this helps a little!

nw

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Cross block Feb 28, 2006 13:10:52 GMT

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Post by Oriole Power on Feb 28, 2006 13:10:52 GMT

We run our ISO plays through every hole. We have tried to cross block before but as the others have said it gets too congested. What we have done the last couple of years is tell our lineman at the point of attack to make his call based on what he plans to do with the man in front - block out, seal down. FB adjusts his path based on the line and TB follows the rear of the FB. We don't zone it is all man blocking. Our FB's have done well with this scheme. I'll also note that it isn't our ideal play in that situation but it has worked.

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reno6 Member Posts: 94	Cross block Feb 28, 2006 18:04:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by reno6 on Feb 28, 2006 18:04:42 GMT thanks oriole and joboo.
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