Combining Midline, IV, and OV

Coach,

If the kid can READ, nothing to it! It's done all the time. If your QB is not dealing with a full deck, forget it.
Just my opinion as always.

Coach Easton

Carson-Newman runs midline and veer out of split backs. Simply add the outside veer, and now you can do all of this out of one formation. Coach Nicholson will be at the C-N clinic this weekend. LET'S HOPE HE CAN TAKE GOOD NOTES FOR US (HINT, HINT)!

Carson-Newman does not run the outside veer. They run speed option instead.

If you are looking for a system to run these three plays "on me" I would suggest the following:

Run midline vs. a 2 or 3 technique.
Run outside veer vs. a 5/9 technique (Coach Campbell runs load with this, but the old fashioned outside veer guys only run OV when the defense has a defender on the tackle and on the tight end.
Run veer vs. anything else.

Coach, try it out on paper and see if it works. Then, get back to me and tell me what you think. I hope I helped you.

and make sure you send me those notes coach !!! You know my address.

HEY COACH LO,

At what level do you coach?

Coach Easton

Coach Lo, have you read Snap Decisions?

Hey Coach Lo,

Thanks for your answer. How do you go about having your OL call a play at the LOS, or how do you determine PSL reads in pregame planning session? PLEASE DO NOT GET ME WRONG! I AM NOT BEING ARGUMENTATIVE, JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW YOU THINK. As a long time HC/QB Coach/Off. Coord. I always teach the QB must have COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE TEAM AT THE LOS, NOONE ELSE. How do you teach your QB's to adjust if they are seeing something other than what the film has shown in there PSL reads? How do you know that some OL and the QB are reading the same thing, and if not, who prevails in the play called? Thanks for your time in advance.

Coach Easton

Coach Lo,
You have a very interesting way of checking into plays and it sounds like you are doing very well with it. I have to go with Coach Easton on this one though, I want my QB to have complete control of what is going on at the LOS. To be honest im not sure my normal OT's can spell their name let alone check into plays. lol

Thanks for the insight. We do have a QB that can read, and generally we have followed the traditional guidelines for calling certain options, i.e we'd rather run IV to 1 tech, midline to the 3 tech, etc. Last year we added the OV whereas before we always coupled midline and IV. I'm looking for a simple way of allowing my QB to get us in the best triple.

kc361: I'm assuming that when you mention looking for #2 (on or off) you are counting from the inside out? If so, how do you count the various stack defenses?

OPTION COACH,

I think I can save you ALOT OF TIME over your procedure for having an OL go through the technique you just outlined. I just put this out there for your perusal, but this is the way I have always ran it:

In the PSL, if your QB is looking at a 50 front, his first read is always going to be the first man outside the B hole, usually the DT who will align in a 4i-4 -5 tech. (talking ISV here now). IF THE QB, IN HIS PSL, SEES THE DT IN A 5, IT BECOMES AN AUTOMATIC GIVE TO THE DIVE BACK! NO MORE READING NECESSARY, RUN THE PLAY! IF HE READS THE DT IN A 4i, IT BECOMES AN AUTOMATIC PULL! NO MORE READING NECESARY BECAUSE HE HAS TAKEN AWAY THE DIVE BACKS LANE!!! WHY WASTE TIME READING A 5 TECH ON THE SNAP? THERE IS NO 5 TECH IN THE LAND, ESPECIALLY IN THE HS RANKS WHO CAN CLOSE THE B GAP BEFORE THE DIVE BACK IS THROUGH IT. iF HE ISN'T THEN YOU HAVE THE WRONG DIVE BACK, IMO. The DT who plays your guy head up in 4 TECH IS THE GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO DEFEND THE ISV, becasue your QB is now forced to make a decision on the snap and not before. A pinching 5 tech has never ever hurt us that I can remember of, ever. Plus you do not alert the D that a change is coming by verbalizing. I have always coached that the backs, the QB, and the OT read in the PSL and know what to expect on the snap!

Coach Easton

Also, what do you call vs. a O, 3, and 5 tech? We run a Twins formation and many times a 50 front will reduce when there is no TE.

Coach Lo,

Snap Decisions is a book written by Bill Hollenbeck. He coached HS football in Michigan for years. He starts out by describing what his system is. He said one of the biggest things he wrestled with while running the Split Back Veer is that he could never be assured of calling the right play. At best it is an educated guessing game. Therefore he developed an audible series he called "T-Reads" that combined the essential plays of the offense. He would just establish/install the read series at the beginning of the year, and he would let his QB call plays at the line using the system. He of course could always call a certain play, but at times he would just tell the QB - "Run the T-Reads."

at my previous job, we were a spead bone team, and we rean ML to a 0 tech or a 3 or wider....iv still went off of the outside leg of the guard...and ov attacked off of the inside leg of the tackle....we never ran ov versus an odd because it was two quick reads for the qb(dive and keep)....ml was our attitude play that turned out being a qb isolation play when we lead with the playside back.....in my oinion ml veer is the best football play becasie it combines a quick hitter...deception...and power.....

Coach LO,

I like your ideas with the playcalling system. Two questions. How have you worked against defenses that decide to shift once they figure out your tackles are helping make calls? And secondly, how have you guys handled LB's that have figured out your call and audible system? Our coach has been looking during the offseason of putting all of them together, so your info is very helpful.

Thanks

OPTION COACH,

To answer your question about what I would call vs. a zero and a 3 tech? Midline is good, of course, as it is the easiest to read as pointed out in post above. But, I would not rule out ISV either. We would just scoop the nose and slide to Mike, deuce the 3 with the G & T and slide the tackle to the Sam. Base the DE with the TE.

Coach Easton