Wing & Shoot

Coach
Here is the one problem with the run and shoot and the wing t mix. It is a small problem, but still a problem. The wing T does not use long motion across the formation. Now I know what some are going to say: "Well when you run jet you are running long motion." First, Jet is NOT WING T. Second, the jet does not have long motion either. So what is the problem? Every time you run long motion you are limiting what you can run. Here are some options of what you can run that is quick stuff with wing motion and is not play action.
Slants:
Get into a Loose red or blue formation. That is double SE and double wing.

X: 4 yard slant (SE to the Left)
Z: 4 yard slant (SE to the right)
A: twirl motion and swing pattern ( WB to the left)
B: Flat route
QB: 3 step drop and read according to:
PRESNAP
1. Deepest CB
2. Best aligned interceptor

Read: Flat defender.

Mics: Loose Red
X: five steps and then 2 steps on a angle and sit. Find space in the window
Z: Same as X
A: twirl motion and swing pattern
B: Flat route

Trips: Red
X: Same as above.
Y: Post route
A: Sit route. Attack the first OLB and sit in front of him
B: Full speed wing motion and run flat.
QB: If OLB blitzes then hit sit. If not then read flat defender.

Sticks: Out of red formation:
SE: Clear out route
A: 6 yard stick and float out.
B: Full speed wing motion and swing route to the stick route side.
Y: Run post
QB: Snap the ball once the WB is behind the FB.

Read: Flat defender.
Cov 2: Read outside in. CB roll up and hit fade behind. IF CB stays on the fade then hit flat to stick.
I could keep going.
Hope this helps
Karjaw

Coach
Wing T is a out flanking offense with an order of football. Here is my experience with this offense.
1. In order to be successful with this offense one must keep to its series. Every play in the series is dedicated to placing a defender in conflict. If NUmber 3 is coming up the field you run this. If he is crashing then you run this. If the CB is playing then you run play action. When one plays games with this order they are no longer running wing t football and now they are just running a grab bag full of plays. You must have every play in the series in. This takes a GREAT DEAL OF TIME.

2. It is a run oriented offense. In order for it to work you have got to run the ball on a consistent basis. If a HS team averages 40-50 plays a game, I believe that we are going to throw the ball probably 20 percent of those plays. Which comes out to 8-10 throws. The next question is how much of that is going to what area:
PLay action 3-4 pass plays
Screens: 1-2 plays
Dropback: 4 plays.
Then my next question is if I am going to use a run oriented offense which takes a great deal of time to install and execute correctly then why would I use a passing offense that has a different philosophy and requires the same commitment as the run? My answer and probably most wing T coaches answer would be I am not going to take away time from my run game in order to execute the R & S correctly. Another thought is I am not going to put in another offense with the wing t for 4 pass plays each game.

3. There are plenty of coaches out there using the R &S and West Coast offense with the Wing t. We have done it and here is what happened:
A. Our run game suffered because we were spending too much on the pass (even putting in one pass concept).
B. We started to lose the order of football, because we were spending so much time on the pass we made a decision that we had to use it in the game. We then found ourselves game planning for two different offenses.

4. Can it be done mix into the Wing t? Yes. But what is it going to cost you? If I lose a run play in a series because of it I am not going to use it. How do you lose plays.
Long motion:
20 series
You lose 21/29 buck and 22/28 gut. 21/29 waggle
30 series:
31/39 lead sweep
80 series
82/88 down
I am not losing these plays everytime I run long motion. It is costing me too much.
It is my recommendation to the above coach that the better mix to the wing t is to use West Coast passing concepts. They will match much better to the wing t run game then R & S. They are designed to be used with a TE.

THe only concept from the run and shoot you can use with out long motion is the balanced routes. The west coast has the same concepts in it and more that can be used with out motion. The above post of the passing stuff I gave youis WCO concepts using wing motion. WCO will also allow you to use 7 and 8 man protections where the R & S will use 6 man protections. We use the WCO concepts and I will tell you if you seek at Coach Mountjoy he has a passing game that is even easier and requires less practice time to execute. The pass pro is also easy. You find this to be a better mix than the R &S.
Hope this helps
Karjaw

Coach: Like the Wing-T, the Run and Shoot continues to evolve. Looking at its best-known modern practitioners, you won't see Hawaii take more than a few snaps from under center per season...

(Also like the Wing-T, there are R&S "purists" who insist that their flavor of Kool-Aid™ is the only one worth drinking...)



Regarding your post, I agree that the Jet/Fly speed sweep series marries up very well with Wing-T football, traditional or not. I would go further and say that it also marries up extremely well with the kind of stripped-down "R&S Lite" approach you are advocating. I think the Go package is ideally suited to the Red/Blue formation, and it allows you to pound the rock using traditional Wing-T tools like quick trap and Down/Belly against teams that try to spread out on defense to slow down your passing game.

I install Go starting with the classic package as Mouse Davis ran it (albeit simplified, removing the route-alteration options from receivers and replacing them with tags that coaches can use to change one or two pass routes within the Go package). Tags that can hurt different coverages include frontside Switch, backside Y Cross, Kentucky Mesh, and frontside Crease. If you (or anyone else) is interested in learning more about the Go series from within the Wing-T framework, feel free to e-mail me HERE.

Regards,

Ted Seay
Vienna, Austria

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gary.satori@jefferson.kyschools.us

I want to thank everyone who replied, I really enjoy your comments.
Thank you
Gary

Myself and my entire staff are going to see him about his option offense and the single wing component he used with the offense. We currently run his offensive system. His language and philosophy. I am surprised that more coaches have not responded to my post about him. He (IMO) is the best at running the wing t. He has taken it to the next level and then some. We can not wait.
Karjaw