Cut block in practice

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Cut block in practice Jun 10, 2007 0:56:04 GMT

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Post by CUI on Jun 10, 2007 0:56:04 GMT

I think we are going to teach the cut block for backside OL players (EX: OT cutting a 2 technique on a play away). I have always been against this since I don't really want our guys cutting each other in practice every day. When we have had to cut, we just tell the defender he is cut and he can't play the down. I don't know if that does much good.
Do you guys cut in practice, or have you found some way around this. I think it would be good to make a big deal about getting the back side players on the LOS down on every play.

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Cut block in practice Jun 10, 2007 6:16:27 GMT

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Post by Oneback on Jun 10, 2007 6:16:27 GMT

Alex Gibbs (MASTER of "cut" block) has his players wrap the defender up as if making a tackle (with head to play side) but doesn't actually "put them on the ground". That way - you practice the APPROACH of the cut block - get your head in front - but don't actually hurt anyone in practice.

Order the new DVD (only a few weeks old) from the 2007 COOL CLINIC - where Alex discusses this!

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CUI Senior Member Posts: 712	Cut block in practice Jun 10, 2007 12:32:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by CUI on Jun 10, 2007 12:32:29 GMT I requested an order form for the tapes. I must have to see it to understand the "wrapping up" part. If you could wrap them up without going to the ground, why not just block them without holding?

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Cut block in practice Jun 10, 2007 14:32:33 GMT

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Post by Oneback on Jun 10, 2007 14:32:33 GMT

You will have to ask Alex. They use "cut " form but wrap up like a tackle instead of actually cutting (without the take down). The angle & approach (all-important) would be the same as the cut.

We BEGIN by having a large stand up dummy two men over from our align - for example, the LT on a OZ right, NORMALLY cuts about in front of the Center's original align. That teaches the angle, & they can cut the bag, but when it is live in practice we do what Alex does in paragraph 1.

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Cut block in practice Jun 11, 2007 9:52:25 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Jun 11, 2007 9:52:25 GMT

WE ALWAYS CUT THE BAGS only IN PRACTICE. We taught technique in individual periods by having the guys WALK through the approach, corect angles, etc. and using a thud technique would just more or less keep the actual block to a minimum by having the guys BE IN THE RIGHT POSITION TO FOLOW THROUGH ON GAME NIGHT. In live scrimmages, WE DID NOT ALLOW ACTUAL CUTS TO HAPPEN. To me, that is not a sound practice as the knee is just not made for football!!! Just my opinion as always. Thanks for that Alex Gibb's info Bill, would like to see that.

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CUI Senior Member Posts: 712	Cut block in practice Jun 11, 2007 21:27:04 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by CUI on Jun 11, 2007 21:27:04 GMT Jerry - So how did you block it in a live scrimmage then? Did you just try to block him while standing up? Did you have the OL tell the DL he was cut and the DL just have to be stationary on the play?

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Cut block in practice Jun 12, 2007 7:42:46 GMT

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Post by Oneback on Jun 12, 2007 7:42:46 GMT

What Alex Gibbs says is: in a live scrimmage - IF the defense wants to tackle our ball carrier - WE CUT; IF the defense will just wrap up the ball-carrier - we wrap up tackle (as described in my earlier post above) instead of cut!

It's "either/or" - that is the only way you can do it, there are NO other choices! For GREAT CUT UPS on it, order the tape on the WIDE ZONE online from "Gilman Gear" (WIDE ZONE by Alex Gibbs - only about $15).

PS: At our July 14 Clinic - Ernie McCook (O-Line Coach at Shepherd College) will go over this. Ernie is OUTSTANDING. Hopefully, we will have a Redskins staff member present, too.

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Cut block in practice Jun 15, 2007 10:55:19 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Jun 15, 2007 10:55:19 GMT

CUI,

I WOULD JUST HAVE THE GUYS STALEMATE EACH OTHER BY TELLING THEM THAT THEY WOULD CUT IN THIS SITUATION IF IT WERE GAME NIGHT. I just never believed in taking a chance in a high risk area of injury to a team mate as there is in cut blocking. I remember one night with my pro minor league team that my Center who weighed 275 spent the ENTIRE game cutting a 330 lb. nose and he kept him out of the backfield all night too! At games end he was so beat up from having that big nose fall on him we about had to carry him from the field as he could hardly stand up. My theory has always been, when it is necessary cut the baloney out of them! When it isn't, don't. Practice, to me, never dictated a necessary time to cut one of your own guys, just to risky. In Bills example of Gibbs theory of if they want to tackle the ball carrier, then he was going to have his guys cut, I sure know how the temptation to that risky business comes about! Some defensive guy who takes a real shot at a ball carrier in a simple "butt up" drill will certainly get any offensive coach's water hot! But, I always tried to prevent that from happening by simply instructing the guys that this was not anything more than what it was, a drill, and I did not want any ball carrier being tackled under any circumstance. Just my way, but I always felt comfortable with it.

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Cut block in practice Jun 15, 2007 13:14:13 GMT

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Post by jbutler on Jun 15, 2007 13:14:13 GMT

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Originally posted by: TIGER ONE
CUI,

I WOULD JUST HAVE THE GUYS STALEMATE EACH OTHER BY TELLING THEM THAT THEY WOULD CUT IN THIS SITUATION IF IT WERE GAME NIGHT. I just never believed in taking a chance in a high risk area of injury to a team mate as there is in cut blocking. I remember one night with my pro minor league team that my Center who weighed 275 spent the ENTIRE game cutting a 330 lb. nose and he kept him out of the backfield all night too! At games end he was so beat up from having that big nose fall on him we about had to carry him from the field as he could hardly stand up. My theory has always been, when it is necessary cut the baloney out of them! When it isn't, don't. Practice, to me, never dictated a necessary time to cut one of your own guys, just to risky. In Bills example of Gibbs theory of if they want to tackle the ball carrier, then he was going to have his guys cut, I sure know how the temptation to that risky business comes about! Some defensive guy who takes a real shot at a ball carrier in a simple "butt up" drill will certainly get any offensive coach's water hot! But, I always tried to prevent that from happening by simply instructing the guys that this was not anything more than what it was, a drill, and I did not want any ball carrier being tackled under any circumstance. Just my way, but I always felt comfortable with it.

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So Jerry.....do you practice the cut block on the bags?? Or, did you answer that in a previous post?

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Cut block in practice Jun 18, 2007 10:30:44 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Jun 18, 2007 10:30:44 GMT

HEY JOHN,

I did mention it in another post but that's not any problem. To answer your queston, we cut the bags only!
Always had a coach or another player hoding the bag so the cutter would have a realistic aiming point for contact. How is the summer coming with your guys?

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Cut block in practice Jun 18, 2007 11:36:22 GMT

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Post by Coach4Life on Jun 18, 2007 11:36:22 GMT

Coaches,

I'd never do it in practice (I like the wrap-em-up idea) but in a game situation, how risky is a cut block? I've wanted to do it as Alex Gibbs talks about on the backside of the IZ but have been reluctant for the injury risk reason. We need to do it though, this year we'll be playing against superior athletes who can easily run down the play if we don't get 'em blocked. If a DL is moving as you would expect him to it would seem to be relatively safe unless his foot is just planted hard with all his weight on it. What has been your experience with seeing DL hurt on a cut block?

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Oneback Senior Member EMAIL: billmountjoy@yahoo.com Posts: 6,223	Cut block in practice Jun 18, 2007 18:23:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Oneback on Jun 18, 2007 18:23:24 GMT In the Virginia High School League - I don't think they permit cutting. Check it out, Mike. PS: Come by & copy the W VA tapes before I have to give them back.
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