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What is your opinion on Multi-Formation systems, I myself have drawn up several playbooks on my notebooks always using 8 Formations. My most recent playbook has 8 formations including 3 Different shotgun sets. So here's my question do you believe a well balanced multi-formation system is better then say a Wing T offense that I've seen many coaches at the High School level run. I feel that a multi-formation system is probably more effective as it makes your opponent have to worry about you using many more looks and fronts and possibly messing up their coverages designed for one basic formation such as the Power I or even a Spread. It also allows for much more variation and options in terms of play selection, especially in terms of "trick plays." Your thoughts?
Winning isn't everything, but wanting to is.
"Winners NEVER Cheat, Cheaters NEVER Win... Cheaters rot in Hell." The Hazelton - 09/17/08
Use of "multi-formations" is in a different category from "orders of football" (AKA: "systems") such as the Wing-T. MOST Wing-T teams that use "multi-formations".
I personally believe in using "multi-formations" with FEWER PLAYS. We have 14 basic formations that we get to easily by moving 2 people (move ONE to get 7, & move another to get the other 7). That makes 28 if you go left & right (which of course, we do)!
ALL our formations fit neatly into TWO categories:
I am a big believer in multi-formations! HOWEVER, ON THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL it is probably a much better practice to stick to just a few and run the same plays from the various looks. Personally, my play book has some 25-30 different formations that we can both run and pass out of. Same on the defensive side of the ball with most being designed for specific game situations. Just my way.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
In my opinion formations should be used only to accomplish two things...find what the defense has the hardest time matching up against, and find where you players are featured best. Find the offensive sets that accomplish those two things and use them. If it takes 14, I guess go with 14--however I'm guessing any coach can probably cut that down. At the HS level, everyone has to balance creative playcalling with confusion possibility of the players. Something has to give. You don't have enough time to put in an NFL-style offense. The greatness of the Wing-T or Double wing sets is they are set around a very sound package of plays that work off one another. Fewer plays = less confusion for players because each play is repped over and over. Multiple set offenses with thicker playbooks must allow for more mental mistakes by the players, but can compensate by more imaginative playcalling. Pick your poison, develop your kids, and go at it.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
I appreciate your opinion, as I do any coach's. However, have to disagree with you that high school kids can't learn a pro style (NFL) offense for the various reasons you list. I have ran the 3 x 2 spread for over 20 years, long time before most people even heard of it, let alone know how to defend it. I used it very successfuly on the HS level, as well as, the pro minor league level. Just now, the pros are starting to utilize it as did the Atlanta Falcons against the Bengals last Monday night on national television.
Coach Bill Mountjoy (ONEBACK HERE ON THE FORUM) has run Joe Gibbs one back stuff since 1981 very successfully on the High school level in Virginia, coaching several players who had NFL careers, as have I. The arguments you use here for not doing it have been proven wrong, although on paper they sound right. Football is football, not rocket science. If you have kids with good football apptitude and not a bunch of mental midgets, they are capable of learning any system going. The successful HS level coaches who have used the NFL attacks over the years will agree, those who just wrote them off as too much to teach, etc. will not.
Like I say coach, I certainly appreciate your opinion and certainly not looking for an argument. Just stating an opposing view.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I disagree, I assisted coaching a PAL league for those of you who do know what PAL is it stands for Police Athletic League, and I co-ran the offense with the head coach and found the kids even at 11 years of age (was the age grouped i coached) were able to pick up on an 8 formation playbook, each formation containing 4 Plays, 6 of them were 2 Pass and 2 Run, while 2 of the formations, Shotgun Trips Right, and Shotgun Trips Empty contained 1 Run (a Draw on the Shotgun trips right) and the Option Right on the Empty formation, and with 32 plays we ran the offense with little complications and managed to finish 9-1 Winning the league championship. (no playoffs, best record wins it, we played every team) So I do believe that it is possible to teach kids multiple formations especially if you simplify it so that each kid knows his assignment has one position to play (we had enough kids to run Platoon having 11 for offense and 11 different kids for defense and even had a kicker/punter too) We also survived running a 4-4 Defense with 3 Safeties, 2 of which would play man on with the Splits and the other playing a zone in 5 yard radius, and had 5 Simple Plays, Jailbreak (all the linebackers rushed), Ian Blitz (inside linebacker) Mike (Middle) Randy (Right side) Lester (Left side) and set the record for Lowest points allowed, so I believe it really just depends on the coaching level and the amount of time spent teaching (we had practice 2-3 times a week) and asked the parents to go over one formation each day, on the days there were no practice.
Winning isn't everything, but wanting to is.
"Winners NEVER Cheat, Cheaters NEVER Win... Cheaters rot in Hell." The Hazelton - 09/17/08
Define but what you mean effective, cause in my opinion the less of a play your opponent sees the more likely for success it is since they won't expect it, where as if you run the same dive four times the team will be better prepared, and 12 plays doesn't give you many options in terms of situations i believe.
Winning isn't everything, but wanting to is.
"Winners NEVER Cheat, Cheaters NEVER Win... Cheaters rot in Hell." The Hazelton - 09/17/08
NFL RUN SURVEY of 2003 (of ALL TEAMS) shows that fewer plays run more often = most effective. YOU rep those few plays ALL SEASON. An opponent has 1 week to prepare to stop them. YOU have the adantage here.
The simple fact of the matter is that they do NOT know if you are running left, running right, or passing. How much more "deception" do you need? Do NOT give your opponent too much credit!
Below is the Offensive Philosophy of the Indy Colts (they have a pretty fair offense with 4 formations, 4 runs, and the normal NFL pass/screen/draw game):
TOM MOORE (COLTS "OC") OFFENSIVE THINKING
1. “LESS IS BETTER”!
2. “IF THINGS ARE GOING BAD – REDUCE. GET BETTER AT WHAT YOU DO BEST”!
3. “DON’T ADD OR CHANGE THINGS (IF IT WAS THAT GOOD – WE WOULD HAVE PUT IT IN DURING AUGUST”)!
FROM AN ARTICLE: Offensive coordinator Tom Moore is a brilliant minimalist who keeps it simple. He stretches the canvas and lets his quarterback paint masterpieces. Sometimes it seems like the Colts only have four formations and seven plays, but defenses never know what's coming next.
Good point. I guess I do overestimate opponents. It just sucks though cause I have so many ideas for plays and formations in my head (must of my playbook was drawn up by myself, using only the basic play formula of Holes 2468 Right 0 Center 1357 Left, and the Route Tree, with the exception of a few plays pulled out of "Football's Best Offensive Playbook" by Dwight "Dee" Hawkes, including the infamous Bobby Bowden's 46 Toss.
Winning isn't everything, but wanting to is.
"Winners NEVER Cheat, Cheaters NEVER Win... Cheaters rot in Hell." The Hazelton - 09/17/08
I think most teams have their 12 plays (or however many) as their BASE offense. These are the plays and formations they run multiple times a game and practice every day.
However, I think most coaches also recognize the need for a handful of additional plays that might only be run once or twice a game--a reverse, an uncovered screen, etc. These are also good for breaking tendencies.