Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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i am looking at the robber coverage for next year. i think i already know the answer to my question i just want to see what other people do. we are running the 4-4 and i want to install the robber coverage . what do most coaches do when they blitz out of it. i would imagine it depends on who you bring but probally i would think most coaches either go cover 1 or 0. how many coaches stay in robber when they blitz?
I tend to not run many blitzes when using Robber. The ones that I do are mainly inside linebackers. Our Robber coverage gets the FS involved in the run game so you do not need to do a lot of blitzing. I am very blitz happy so I like to use 0 and 1 when I do.
The old va tech would play Cv1 (man to man) whenever they put on a full blitz. Arrow/Silver stunts.
C's= have #1
FS= has #2 to the passing strength
R=(SS) has #2
W= OSB has #3
At the VT clinic this year, I was talking with coach Foster after his presentation and he said they have gone away from all out m2m blitzes and run more zone blitz packages.
Coach Foster did not go into specific blitzes...just they did more zone blitzes than all out m2m stuff. COach Easton their basic reasoning was they liked it better against spread offenses that they are seeing more and more of. They still go m2m and max blitz but just not as often as in the past.
MAN OH MAN, that is a big mistake to my way of thinking against a 3 x 2 like I run. All that movement with 5 receivers in your face, is not a great defensive strategy in my opinion. As an ex-QB, I much rather have thrown against any zone going than hard man!!! My QB's feel the same way. We roll up and play hard man under and never take the FS out of the MOF in the PSL. He wouldn't be at VT if he didn't know his stuff, hope it works out for him but honestly I have my doubts.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Coach Easton, they do not exclusively zone blitz but do more than they used to. Have for the past two years and their defense has done fairly well to say the least. They still max pressure and m2m just not as much...some of that besides the offenses they face is they have gone more to a 2 deep shell and less of their famed robber coverage also due to the spread offenses they see more and more of.
We will play Robber with a 3 deep and blitz one inside or outside backer, more so inside backers. Vacate and give up a Zone, you still have 2 or 3 deep to prevent the home run.
We will blitz both inside backers and keep the FS in the middle of the field. Corners #1, Outside Backers #2 or #2/#3. Will also substitute a 3rd corner or cover guy for one or both outside backers depending on matchups or vs. spread and pass happy teams.
We will bring 1 Inside and 1 Outside backer from the same side, which gives you a 4 to a side blitz. Difficult for offenses to prepare against. FS will roll down at the snap and replace coverage for an Outside Backer and we play Cover 0. We do less of this but it is a good blitz if used sparingly. Too many big plays vs. Cover 0.
From these 3 looks we blitz over half of the time as tied to game plan and opponent's tendencies. The other key is to fake blitzes as much as possible. We work hard at faking blitzes.
Post by swilliams1959 on May 16, 2008 10:07:00 GMT
We have played around with the Zone Blitzes. We would send an Outside Backer and drop an End to replace his coverage. It worked pretty well for us a couple of years ago. The past 2 years we have had some very good rush ends so it was pointless to drop them into coverage. For us, this has been a personel decision.
If you play Robber to a 2-back set and want to blitz, you can send the weak (to single receiver side) LB, or OLB. If you do this, you have to play man with the corner and the LB who is not blitzing. You can not send either of the front side LB's because the OLB is the flat-wheel player and the LB is responsible for #3 if he goes vertical.
You can also send both the OLB and LB to the weak side and have the DE "blitz peel" any back out.
Post by swilliams1959 on May 19, 2008 12:30:47 GMT
In response to OldBlu we will bring any one of the 4 linebackers 1 at a time and vacate a zone. We will take our chances and turn it into a guessing game giving up a flat or curl zone. We are playing Robber with a 3 deep zone behind it. We would never ask our linebackers to cover a vertical from #3 or any vertical route.(Actually our Inside Guys are more focused on Draw, Screen and QB Scrambles than pass drops) We are playing zone and have 3 deep players ranging and covering deep 1/3rds. Also, I like the blitz more so in run situations. Game planning, tendencies and pure guessing; hoping to blitz right into the point of attack. Some of the offensvie Guru's may tell you they can pick it up but my 27 years of experience tells me a blitz into the point of attack wins most of the time.
For the reasons you mentioned I do like the individual blitzes from the Inside Backers better than the Outside Backers. In my opinion it is much easier to come at the two back teams with a myriad of blitzes. If we are playing spread-no back teams then Robber is out the window and we are playing primarily man, man under and 2 deep zone.
Also, my 27 years of coaching tells me there are a lot of ways to get it done. I believe you must believe in what you do and have an answer for they do within your philosophy.
Being a strong proponent of man cover schemes (bump & Run, not turn and run) after a 42 year on field coaching career, and being an ex-QB, my opinion has always been that it is far easier to exploit any zone coverage scheme going than man to man. My reasoning is that the defensive backs are going to give away the void in the zone EVERY TIME by their own movement. QB's are taught to throw into the void and always away from the defender, be it man or zone as I'm sure you well know. If we see a SS or a FS in the square after the snap, we are going to throw to the SIDE WHERE HE CAME FROM, NOT WHERE HE IS GOING. WE ARE GOING TO TRAIN OUR RECEIVERS TO RUN OPTION ROUTES THAT WILL PUT THEM IN A MOFO SITUATION ANY TIME THEY CAN GET IT, BECAUSE ANY QB WORTH HIS SALT IS GOING THERE WITH THE BALL EVERY TIME AS IT IS A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE THROW. IF IT IS A MOFC
(MIDDLE OF FIELD CLOSED) SITUATION AS STEVE YOUNG USED TO SAY, IT THEN BECOMES A "NO FLY" ZONE" AS YOUR JUST ASKING FOR AN INT.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I agree with you 100% if we are playing a spread team. We will play man under 2 deep zone and man free and blitz. I like to have cover 2 ready vs. the spread teams but vs. the true spread teams we never use it. We will stick with tight man. As stated in an earlier post we used to play the in your face bump and run man but have gone to a tight man playing 3 yards off with the same concept of denying the inside and disrupting routes. We also will sub cover guys for our Outside Backers. I know your response was that you will complete a slant against this type of coverage. My feeling is if you want to throw a slant for a 3 yard gain go ahead. In our league teams will not consistently complete this route against tight man from 3 yards off.
At the H.S. level we will face a myriad of offenses. Last year we played only 2 spread teams and we played only man vs. these teams. However, one week we might face Pro I, the next week a Veer Team, the next week a Jet Sweep/Xbuck series team and the next week the Wing T. One of the best teams on our schedule will use only 2 formations(Pro and Twin). They will run Iso, Counter, Belly, Toss, mix in some play action and run the quick game with efficiencty. The key for them is they block better than anyone else in our conference.
For us, stopping the run comes first. In general play zone vs. the run and man vs. the pass or Zone in 3rd and Long passing situations. Also, it is very difficult to stop the option when you are playing man.
Having coached high school ball for 30 years, I agree with your assesment of having to face different
offensives attacks on a regular basis. Please understand I fully appreciate your opinions on how you think and run your team, have been doing this way to long to not know their is more than one way to win.
Nobody I know of plans on playing man THE ENTIRE GAME AS THAT JUST IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. But, the only time we really come out of it is when we run upon a team that forces us out of it.
I don't follow your thinking on it is hard to defend the option out of man coverage. Any good team, defensively speaking, is going to play disciplined assignment football against the option, right? I ran the triple out of the bone for long years and always found this to be true. When on defense ourselves we would roll up the corners hard with inside leverage, crash the ends to the QB, send the sam or SS to pitch, coach the backside to stay home and be disciplined in doing so! if you set the corners off in zone, your giving the WR's free reign to stalk. Knowing that all options that break big, break in the outer 1/3 of the field, the wide outs are going to be very agressive in their blocking assignments. My thinking was to jam 'em with skilled corner play and take that very important blocker out of the equation. Your thought's?
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I agree Coach Easton. The key words there are "skilled corner play". If you have a corner who can lock up with a reciever and still have a sense of what is going on behind the offensive LOS, then you can defend anything. I think, and tell me if you disagree, that many coaches use zone to protect young, inexperienced corners--which I feel is ligitimate. I know that even my most talented sophomore will struggle in trying to "multitask" as a corner.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
I feel that most coaches play zone schemes because they not only have inadequate CB's, but also have inferior athletes at the safety spots and do not want them to have to play a receiver on a one on one basis. They play zone where you are always going to get a roll to the pass side which amounts to help.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Thanks for your response, this forum is a lot of fun and very informative. After 42 years you obviously still have a great passion for the game.
I coached O Line and worked on the offensive side of the ball for 15 years before becoming a defensive coordinator. I love the X and O and on field coaching part of the game but never wanted to deal with the responsibilites of head coaching. Any offense I have been associated with we used the option just for that reason to keep teams from playing a steady diet of man. When playing man you have to focus on the man and not the backfield. Receivers can run off the man cover guys. Then the combination of the play action pass off of the option run makes the cover guys honor the run off. Even if you crack with your wideout the man cover guy has to come back inside. Yes, we teach communication and crack replace but it is easier said than done.
I am sure you know exactly what you are doing and how to cover option from your scheme. When you say you will put the DE on the QB and the SS on the pitch I would think the SS is a deep 1/2 player and you are playing man under. In this case the SS will be late on the pitch and you have lost your over the top help vs. play action or a pitch pass. Option wise if you put the DE on the QB you will never tackle the dive back on the Outside Veer. Inside Linebacker will get sealed at that angle. We train our DE to close and tackle the dive back, then we can rip by the Tackles down block to take the QB with our inside linebacker and put our Outside Backer on the pitch. At least for us in our scheme, our outside backer has #2 when we play man that way we can keep the FS in the middle of the field. When playing zone the FS plays the Dive Pass 1st and then is a bonus guy playing Dive to QB to Pitch. When playing man, if we get a twin set and the Outside Backer is man on #2 he can not cover #2 man and play the Pitch.
As far as the discussion goes that teams play man due to inferior corner skills, I disagree. We play zone when we want to play bend but don't break defense. However, we like to mix it up and get after the offense also. To make my point, in my observation of today's pro game, most teams are playing the Tampa 2 or a 3 deep zone off of that. They make offenses dink you in the hook, curl and dig zones and do not give up the big play.
A question for you coach, you stated you like to stay in man as much as possible and will go to zone when forced to do so. What will force you into zone?
Do what you do BEST! There is no difference in a Cornerback playing "OFF MAN", OR, "COVER 3" vs a WR in a max split. It's still "1 on 1" to the GOAL LINE!
In Robber Coverage vs a 21,11 Twins Set how do you guys align the Outside backer on the #2 receiver?
1. I’ve heard align him inside shade on #2, head up on #2 and outside shade on #2 so he can drop to the numbers and run with the Wheel route.
thanks,
harry73
Am certainly enjoying the discussion with you! It is very obvious you are well versed in your scheme as well s I in mine.
First off, to answer your question, the ONLY reason we are ever FORCED out of man is simply because the other team has better receivers than we do defenders. Some nights you run up against a team you just can't jam, you can't run with them, they are BETTER than you. For those night's you had better have a PLAN B.
We run a 4-2-5 which allows very nicely for DE to take QB, twin SS's (who are the key to our defense, we call them TIGER BACKS and allude to them as DB's and not LB's so we are always in a nickel) who have 3 assignment's on every play (contain on the sweep, pitch on the option, flats on the pass) allow for the CB's to play pass all the way as they are intended to do. If they get run off, so what, we have the TIGER BACK'S sitting in there TO STOP THE RUN. We align like this against a pro with the "I" backs for example.
Post by swilliams1959 on May 21, 2008 11:58:14 GMT
Coach Easton,
Thanks for the diagram. It answered some of my questions already. We are very similar in our 4-4. We try to find a SS type to play Outside Backer. Be able to cover reasonably but still be able to play the run. In our leauge stopping the run comes first. They have the same basic responsibilites as your Tiger Backs. As I have stated earlier we will sub them out in situations when we play man. If they are man on a back out or TE I am comfortable with that. If they are playing man on a slot receiver or we can not get a good match up we will sub them out. If we play a spread team they may not see the field that night.
Some other questions for you when you get a chance.
What is your base alignment with the Tiger Backs? 3 x 3 from EOL, On the LOS?
Who covers #2 in your man scheme? Is your FS always free in MOF or does he have a man rule?
Who is man on the TE vs. Pro I?
Do you consistently play 3 techs to both sides?(3 Tech to the Weakside is the answer to the Dive in OSV)
-We stem and slant our front quite a bit? Our base is a 3 and a 1
Do you think you are better off playing two 3 Techs? Do you move your front much?
Everybody we play traps; a consistent look of two 3's could make it difficult to stop trap.
Do you have trouble stopping off tackle plays with the DE in a 9?
TB'S ARE PLAYED AT 3 YDS DEEP FROM LOS, 5 YDS OFF EMOLS (MOST USUALLY)
PLAYING 3 DEEP, IN MY OPINON MAKES TRAPPING HARDER (IT IS FATHER AWAY FROM THE BACKSIDE GUARD OR CENTER THAN A 1 TECH, AGREED?)
WE HAVE A HARD AND FAST RULE IN MAN: CB'S TAKE THE #1'S ON BOTH SIDES, THE #2'S ARE ALWAYS COVERED BY THE TB'S. # 3 TRIP SIDE IS ALWAYS TAKEN BY THE LB. THE FREE SAFETY PLAYS "MAN FREE" BUT NEVER VACATES THE MOF IN THE PSL.
WE RUN A "42 SPECIAL" WHEREBY WE MOVE THE TB INSIDE THE DE AT 3 YDS OFF THE LOS TO STOP THE BLEEDING OFF TACKLE.
IF I HAVE MISSED ANY QUESTIONS WILL POST IN JUST A MOMENT.
Coach Esaton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
We never take our TB's out of the game as they are without a doubt, unlike a conventional defense the CB's are usually called the best and most athletic, the best player's in my defense. When we go to our dime package, we replace a LB with a true DB who can also tackle in the event they run on an obvious passing down.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
In reponse to Harry73 vs. a Twin Set we will generally split the difference from the EOL to the #2 slot receiver. Once again, the emphasis on stopping the run 1st. The wider the slot gets the wider we will move but we will always stay at least 3 yards inside of the slot receiver taking away the blocking angle. If you move him head up to outside I would run weak until the cows come home. General rule is to play close enough to take away the quick screen but be in positon to play normal run responsibilities.
This can get you in trouble on the Quick Screen but vs. a Quick Screen Outside Backer will attack Inside Out and Corner will attack Outside In. This is the only time when playing Robber Cover 3 we will attack a short route with the Corner with 2 receivers to a side. VS. Twin you will have a FS cheated to the Twin Side. In case of the Quick Screen with the Corner leaving his deep 1/3rd the FS will then play over the top for the double pass.
As far as covering a Wheel Route, our Outside Backer will stay in the flat and we have 2 deep players in the Corner and the FS to play the Wheel Route.
Our other answer to Twin is to check to Cover 2. Roll up the Outside Backer on #1, FS play the Outside Backer/Nickel back and follow the same rule vs. Twin as the Outside Backer in Cover 3. Corner plays deep 1/2.
WE INVITE THE DEFENSE TO RUN AT THE BUBBLE WHEN WE STACK OUR LB'S IN BETWEEN THE TWO 3 TECHS, WHICH IS OUR NORMAL ALIGNMENT AND WE ONLY MOVE THE LB'S AS ADJUSTMENTS ARE NEEDED.
IT IS MY CONTENTION THAT THE ONLY CORRECT WAY TO TRAP IS ON THE OPPONENT'S SIDE OF THE BALL, NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THUSLY, IT BECOMES NECESSARY TO MAKE THE TRAPPER TRAVEL FURTHER TO A 3 TECH THAN A 1 TECH IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE