I coach a 9-10 team in South Carolina. Offensively we run the wing -T and Notre Dame box formation. Defensively, our base formation is the 6-2, but we also run the 5-3,4-4, Gap 8 and Nickel according to down/distance and what offense the other team is running. We try to run an attacking defense that forces turnovers and takes the offense out of their "comfort zone" playcalling-wise.
I coach a 8-11 year old team in WV. We run from the I, Split Backs, Gun, Wing-T, Double Wing, and Single Wing. Sounds like a lot, but basically we have 8 total plays that we run from all of the above formations. So mostly it's the same play from a different look, and gives us different advantages.
Defensively, we run a 4-4 Stack. We do a lot of shifting to help confuse the offense. It is an attacking defense, and we try to force turnovers. We can make the 4-4 look like a wide tackle six, a gap 8, a 4-3, or a 5-3. It's been pretty successful for us.
I'm curious though how much success coaches have had with the wing-t at this level. We ran it for two years for a total record of 7-11. It wasn't very successful for us because it was so lineman intense. However, we still use some of the plays we ran using the wing-t, but we do it out of the Red formation.
We ran the wing-T and went 8-2 this past season. At the beginning of the season we put up some big numbers out of it, averaging almost 26 ppg. As the season progressed, we had a more difficult time moving the football. The Notre Dame Box saved us down the stretch. I think teams were able to lock in on our wing plays after scouting us early. If I had to rate the wing -T offense for our team, I'd give it a "B".
I'm glad to see you had some success with the wing-t at that level. It is a difficult offense if you don't know what you are doing. If I had to grade it for our team I would have to give it a "C". However, most of the problems that I had were due to my lack of experience with it. I was just never able to get into a comfort zone with it. I found it difficult to make adjustments during a game using the wing-t...not saying you can't, I just had a hard time with it. The other problem I had with it was whenever we were stuck in third and long. If we were in a third and long situation we almost never were able to convert. I felt too limited with it, and was not able to cover some of the problems that defenses confronted us with. Basically we won the easy games and lost the difficult games. I was just never able to get into a comfort zone with it. Our best 2 plays were inside counters, and keep passes away from flow. One thing the wing-t taught me was that you can pull linemen at the youth level. However, we were never effective running sweeps and getting linemen in front of the backs....just too doggone slow.
I coach a 10-12 year old team in South Texas. We are primarily an I back offense which will run and throw some out of the gun as well. We also run some Single Wing to present a totally different look at times. I'm going to attempt to add the midline and inside veer to our offense this year as well. With a whole lot of reps and a lot of guidance from Coach Campbell, I'm hopeful that we can accomplish that this year. I look forward to the challenge anyway!
Defensively we run a weak eagle (reduced 50) as our base with our strong safety walked up (similar to a monster) to near lb depth about three yard outside the TE. Other fronts we use include a Bear look, a 5-2, a 31 and a 3-5-3 look that's a derivative of our 50. All these defenses utilize 50 personnel so substitutions are not related to a particular front. Coverage wise we play Cover 3 predominantly. With our league changing its rules for the first time to allow blitzing this season we will undoubtedly be playing more 0 (straight man) and Cover 1 (man free) this year.
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Coaches, We coach the 10-13 yr olds. Pop Warner B-Team We ran on Off. Double wing, toss,sweep, Boot, blast.....Lots of pulling, not alot of yards....Boot was our best play.....Wedge also..... threw a hb pass off the toss...semi succesful...
Def. was gap-8 (really a 10-1) also a 6-2 cuz we couldn't stop the off tackle play....Ball carrier would be hit 2-3 times before the LOS and still would break tackles and score....were working on our Tackle drills now. No excuces, it's on us as coaches to fix the problem. If anybody has any suggestions......Thanks
My guys are 11-14 in the Richmond, VA area. If any of you know of an experienced guy in this area willing to help us out this season please send them my way, my current staff is mostly parents who have their hearts in the right place but I end up teaching them as much to as I do the kids.
Offensively we were multiple formation with our bread and butter being an inside zone and a counter off of it. Also had a lot of success with bubble screen once I told the receivers that they, too, had to block somebody on every play. Never could make an option work (a very young O-line just allowed too much penetration). I wanted to throw a lot more than we did, with spotty success early on but it took the whole year for the ability to develop. This year I want to fully develop the zone schemes and rep the heck out of 'em so we're going inside zone and stretch with counters and play action off of them from the I, option if we can do it, a tackle trap and counter trey from the gun, slide and switch routes from the R&S, some of Valdosta State's gun passing game, and we'll throw as much as our talent and development allows.
Defensively we were very simple in a 4-4 or a Gap-8. Frankly I'm still somewhat surprised by how well that Gap-8 worked, I think it was primarily becuase throwing at this level can be such a scary thing. Spent most of our time working on offense during practice, under the philosophy that running around and blowing things up on defense was a lot simpler than the stuff on offense. This year I plan to do more with the D to make them more attacking.
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Dear coach4life: To me it sounds as if you are planning too much stuff. Just the option game takes a lot of reps- at least if you will hang your hat on it. Zones plus just a speed option is another story.
I am not familiar with Valod. State but I think a couple of 3 step patterns plus zone plus play action would surfice in a 3 practice a week youth league.
Kevin Thibault Varsity Line Coach Saint Clement H.S. Somerville, Ma
We ran a splitback with wingback as our main set and used DblW as a change up, mostly wedge stuff. We are going to run more of a wing T base next year. We pulled both our guards and ran some great counters, so it's not too far removed.
We ran a basterd 5-3 monster, read and react defense. Did some blitzing, but really did not have to. We are looking at more of a 4-6, but jury is out on talent for it. Trying to figure out some 4-6 influenced plays for the 5-3 monster.
Coach, The 46, geared for youth level, is not that difficult to teach; however, you do need the talent to make it work. We run a Wing T offense, modified from traditional Delaware principles, that has simple blocking rules and cues. We limit the number of plays and rep the heck out of them. We run from a 100 formation, but often adjust the formation by flipping the SE, TE, HB, or WB (usually only one, but sometimes more than one). So, we like to use formations to "tweak" the defense to find our plays. [BTW, some Wing T coaches "script" their formations at beginning of game to find a defense's weak spots (see Malvern Prep in PA).] Blocking techniques/rules/cues, for O-linemen, for example, are simple and continually worked on/emphasized/reinforced during individual, group and scrimmage periods. During season, we practice 1 night on defense and 2 nights on offense. We use the same ratio in preseason when we have more time. All practice time is geared to teaching what we do--not what we don't do. We teach teachniques tailored to what we do in a game. We also use Creehan's racehorse practice philosophy. Coach...trust me...we spend ALOT of time in planning for our team, so we teach the kids only what they need to know, not lots of things that they'll never do. All practices our spelled out and agreed to by coaches in advance, but we (coaches) continually review our "plans" and adjust as needed (usually during week via email exchange). So...we plan things out, limit what we teach, keep it as simple as possible, and REP the heck out of it. In individiual, group, and team periods. Everything we do is done for a reason--no grab bagging. I have coached Wing T primarily for MS-aged kids for 8 years. Have less experience with the 46. This year I will be with 11s. I coach in Maryland. E-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org if you would like to discuss further.
Thanks for the feedback. You're right, the stuff I listed was some wishful thinking; as I've been laying out the teaching sequences against the calendar I can see all of that is too much. Realistically we have to get the zone running down, a couple of screens, and a couple of passes is about as far as we will get before the opener. Assuming we get those right, we'll add other stuff as the season progresses and talent allows.
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Thanks for the info. I will send you an email when I have a bit more time for follow up. I am doing DC duties this year and going to be running the O'-line on offense. We have been trying to see if we could zone block for wing t plays. Mixed results on paper. But works well with 5 kids, but that is all we are allowed to have togather till the season begins. Have you done any of this? It looks like an easier learn for basic power game. We like how it draws up when zoning on one side of the line, and pulling linemen from the backside. My worry is we have not done lots of dbl teaming in past and is it a big time eater? We have had lots of dbl teams, but not designed as a dbl team, just multi kids ending up on the same defender.
The traditional wing T is way too complex for the kids. KISS is our ideal. Do you think zone blocking could KISS the wing T?
Actually I was responing to eaglecoach, but that's ol...lol
"The traditional wing T is way too complex for the kids. KISS is our ideal. Do you think zone blocking could KISS the wing T? "
We have never used zone blocking (I do not know it), we block by rule. We use "Gap-On-Backer" on playside and reach/reach upfield on backside. That way, we are covering all potential defenders coming thru gaps, pretty important at youth level with all of the "wacky alignments" and loads of blitzing. This has worked well for us. To get more double teams, you could switch to something like Gap-On-Down.
I am about to embark on my 22nd year coaching youths of some sort. In the fall I coach the little guys and this year I am also coaching semi pro as the QB / WR coach. I did a stint with the HS for a few years and did not enjoy it?
The little guys are more fun. Semi pro is a real trial…..don’t plan on doing it again either.
I have dabbled in a lot of different things but enjoy the spread variations / 46. My son helps the old man coach now a day as the DC.
I have coached in Phoenix and in Denver…currently in Denver.
I coached for two years in Boston at the 13-15 level. I ran the offense and defense the HC wanted which was a power offense from the I formation and a 5-3 Cover 3 defense. We also threw in a little of a Nebraska type option in the second year at my insistence (whining?). I coach HS now for a wing T and 5-2 team.
We have used the wing-t for the last two years at the youth level and we use gap-down-backer rules. It has worked very well and gives the players great blocking angles on the defender. We shoulder block, so this makes it even better. I figure that how you teach your blocking would help to determine your rules. If you teach your linemen to block with hands, this rule probably wouldn't work as well as say a gap-on-backer approach. However, if you teach shoulder blocking, gap-down-backer works really well. We also pull the backside guard on most of our plays.
mahonz, I was just playing semi-pro and I hated it. Too many guys who thought they were NFL players, but hold on a sec, we're in SEMI-pro! We don't get paid. Anyway, I decided to coach youth football because my goal is to coach HS and dream....NFL. Don't laugh. I'm 21 years old and at first was not taken seriously, but hey, we all gotta get through that at some point. I was just hoping to be an assistant....coach the secondary and WRs, but was then asked to be a head coach, so I jumped at the opportunity. I guess I sold the commish with my enthusiasm. Anyway, we run a stack-I (not Maryland style with the double tight), and defensivley, I run a 5-2 invert.
I coach 3rd & 4th grade Football For CYO in Vancouver, Wa Offense we run a wing T and alittle Double Wing. Defense we run a 6-2 and a 4-4 (this is all we are allowed to run). This is my first year as a Head Coach. thakatalyst what league are you coaching?
I coach 12-13yr old Pee Wee in Staten Island New York. I run a 5-3, a 6-2 and the 8 GAM. I put the GAM in late last year for the playoffs and never went away from it. It fits the Pee Wee game perfectly. We gave up 6 points in 3 games and picked off 5 passes just because of the pressure on the QB. I use the other two as a different look every couple of plays.
On Offense we run an I, a pro-set, and have a few wishbone plays in.
I help coach 7th and 8th graders. I have compelte controll over the B team which is mainly 7th with a couple of 6th and 8th graders mixed in. We run mainly power I with a few different formation such as single wing, nasty slot, a tight trips and a gun with the same formations. The kids have not had any problem so far because we run the same plays out of all the formations. Now out of the gun I run Coverdale's bunch stuff. The kids have wrist coaches that tell them what route to run on what play. It gives teams fits. One defense it is a 44 that blitzs a good deal. We are always in cover 1 so it cuts down on teaching.
Generally coach 7th or 8th grade. Oregon is the place i reside for now, may be moving for better teaching/coaching opportunities.
Really depends on the players but it is a variation of the spread-n-shoot philisophy with some veer sprinkled in for a good mix. More shoot if i have a line and QB plus a touch of speed and more veer if i dont.
Defensively i prefer the 50 or 50 invert with an occasional 46 thrown in to mess with their blocking schemes.
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We've been coaching 7th and 8th graders for the last 5 years in Southern CA. I have coached all levels in high school before that. This year we finally won it all -- We had a great group of kids and a dedicated group of young coaches.
Offensively, our system allows us to be very multiple, but in general we are a 2 back team that uses zone and power schemes, similar to those described so well on this board by Coach Oneback, with many different variations of the 2 back alignment. We also run 1 back and 3 back sets depending on the opponent/situation. Our running game is actually very simple, but we use a lot of formations (including overloads, shifts, motions, and different personnel groupings) and vary our splits/alignments a great deal to create assignment conflicts and mismatches for each specific defensive front and secondary that we play. We use slide protection in all of our passing series' (based on our zone blocking techniques and just passive technique for drop back and agressive technique for play action). Because our running game is so simple to teach, we run few plays and just work on a lot of repetitions. On the other hand, we spend a lot of preparation time customizing our passing attack to take advantage of each individual opponent's weaknesses, so our passing game is rarely the same from week to week. This year, we began the season about 60/40 run to pass, which was a nice mix, but by the end of the season our running game was clicking so well that we were closer to 80/20 run to pass. We outscored our opponents 400-94 over 13 games this year and finished 12-1.
Defensively, our system also allows us to be very multiple. We base out of a 4-4 cover 3, but we can very easily get into almost any other formation (our favorites are an odd 4-4 that looks like a 50 cover 3 with the weak end walked off, a 4-3 cover 2 against more pass oriented teams, and a 6-2 against 3 back formations). Our primary goal is to make the opponent do what they don't want to do, so we will use their tendancies to develop adjustments the kids can call on the field, which makes our defense rarely look the same from week to week. This allows us to get more people to where we think the point of attack will be. We always design the adjustments, however, so they are sound in case the opponent tries to break its tendancy. We always call a base defense, which our kids will run if the opponent does not go into one of their primary tendancies. We shut our opponents out in 8 of our 13 games this year (including the semi-final (28-0) and final (24-0)). (Sorry about all the stats. I don't usually like to toot our own horn, but we had such a great year, I just had to throw them up there.)
I want to extend my deepest appreciation for the willingness of every coach on this board to share with the rest of us. A lot of our success this year was attributable to ideas that took shape from reading the info on this board and e-mailing back and forth with individual coaches after reading their posts. I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday season and wish you all the very best of luck in the coming year.