Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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I am a new coach, I need an explanation of B.O.B Pass Pro. As in whom picks up whom, etc. Also, is B.O.B. used in slide and area pass pro or is it a protection in and of itself?
Post by Coach Campbell on Jul 18, 2004 11:56:59 GMT
B.O.B. means big on big in other words an offensive lineman is considered big if he has a defensive lineman aligned on him, this covers the offensive lineman up. You slide with the uncovered lineman this produces cup protection. Coach CAmpbell
to add to coach Campbell's explaination, The other part of Big on Big is Back on Backer, Lineman block Lineman and back block Backers. This is basically a pocket protection. We tend to call it 1-2 blocking as the G's Block the 1st lineman and the Tackles' block the 2nd DL.
So if the center is uncovered he would slide to a designated area after checking for run through by the lb? Now what would happen if the center is covered by a NG?
Center would be blocking the Nose... one or both of the guards would then usually be uncovered.
In the system I used... these guards would then have a 'Double Read'. They'll read the LB's... inside to outside... if none are coming they can help the center, or tackle (usually help to the playside).
I like your thinking with your guard scheme if uncovered. If the backers do come, in keeping with BIG rules, do the backs "double on the LB's with the guards? Is that your meaning here with the "double read" guard assignments? Or if the guards pick up the coming LB's, do the backs help playside?
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
If the guards are uncovered we're most likely looking at some type of 30 front. Our 5 step protection works on a BOB principle but with some wrinkles.
1) The Tackles have the option of calling FAN to bring the Guard over and slide out on 2 rushers (say a DE and an OLB _ G would be on the DE, T on the OLB) Usually this is done if someone has a rush backer. The RB's need to know if this is going to happen... changes their blocking read.
2) The guards will double read the backers, INSIDE to OUTSIDE. They'll check for blitz on their side, looking at the ILB 1st... then swivelling outside to the OLB. If no-one comes... help someone out.
3) The backs are usually in a check/release system but double read OUTSIDE - IN if the G's are uncovered (otherwise they read inside to outside). UNLESS they've gotten a fan call from that Tackle... and then they check inside 1st... then release. Usually its been on a swing, check or flat route. Traditionally our acks on 5 step 'split flow' and each go to a side (FB ps... TB bs)
4) If the C is uncovered he reads the MLB or backer backside (RB will read the PS ILB). If no one comes he helps out one of the G's (usually the 'weaker' one of the two).
So it ends up that we've got 7 guys protecting our passers (Man on man)... but we've also got the flexibility of only having 5 protectors as well. Depending on the play... usually the End/Slot/RB is the HOT reciever if he's in on the pattern.
Yes, coach, that gets it now. Your wrinkle of fan call, and guards reading the backers(double read) cleared it right up. Appreciate it and thanks for your time.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Contrary to most systems, we use our back to make the protection call at the LOS rather than the QB. Based on the structure of the defensive front, the back will make a directional call which will set the protection at the LOS instead of in the huddle. The call basically alerts the center to which side he will protect with the G and T...the back and opposite G and T will then protect the other side. In our dropback scheme we essentially have just two protections...BOB and slide. We will use BOB most of the time...and with the back calling the protection we are better able to handle edge pressure since he will assign himself to the pressure defender rather than expecting the line to either fan or double read to pick it up.
It sure does...plus, it takes a major responsibility away from the QB which frees him up to focus on pre-snap reads and play changes. I'm going to be running more 2 back this year which will make a little bit of a difference, but I will still use the same back (our F) make the protection call and either free release or check release my H (he's the best athlete we got so I want to get him out). pdow
Hey guys, How about going against a 5-3 defense that turns into a 5-1 vs. 1 back sets ? How do you pass pro with BOB principles against the 5-1, which occassionally drops the nose & rushes the LB ? I'd appreciate some help. Thanks.
Anytime you have a nose on the center he would upon snapping the ball take a two step backwards kick in order to set himself properly this would also aide in a zone blitz scheme. Coach Campbell
The way I have known (& taught) BOB protection (7 man protection for us) over the years is to use BOB on the CALLSIDE only, & BASE/SOLID on the awayside. That way - if the Guards are uncovered - the Center gets help from the BACXKSIDE GIUARD.
Vs a Cover 3 look (S/S DOWN) put the call side TOWARDS the S/S, BECAUSE if the Guards are uncovered, the the OLB will come from that side and the OLB drops on the backside (which means the Nose's pass rush lane is BACKSIDE, where we are giving the Center help). ALSO: If permiter pressure, it will come from the S/S (who is handled either by RB checking ILB to S/S, or having the callside TE check release off him).
Vs. a Cover 2 look put the callside towards the W/C, BECAUSE if the Guards are uncovered, the OLB will come from that side and the OLB dropos to the backside (which means the Nose's pass rush lane is BACKSIDE, where we are giving the Center help). ALSO: If perimeter pressure, it will come from the W/C (who is handled either by RB checking from ILB to W/C, OR having the callsiide H/Y check release off him).
Using BOB on both sides cannot be done in a ONEBACK set, so we use BOB on one side & base solid on the other. This is the same as what the Skins always did in their BASE protection with a "FAN" call on callside. This is also how Mark Richt protects (7 man protection) at Georgia.
Post by Coach Campbell on Nov 21, 2004 8:47:51 GMT
Bill explain further why you can't use BOB in a one back scheme. I have used a one back set for years using BOB principles. When ever keeping a tight end in or 7 blockers that would be a max protection scheme. Coach CAmpbell
I have also used a BOB scheme in a one-back set. Essentially it is simply a matter of setting three protectors right and three to the left. Certainly some defensive fronts require adjustments, but a BOB scheme is sound even when in a one-back alignment.
I can't speak for Bill, but our one-back makes the protection call and sets the protection based on defensive alignment. The call indicates which direction the center will go and the back will set opposite. pdow
We all know that no single person has all the answers and that we rely heavily upon what we have been taught by others and have learned by our experience over the years. But, and this is not to take issue with anyone elses point of view, if a man like Bill Mountjoy makes a stement like the one he made concerning one back formations, I for one am looking forward to his explanation of his point of view. Your posts just go to reinforce the fact that there is more than one way to get a job done on a field of play, a fact that Bill himself has alluded to many times in his posts.
JC
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I picked up "BOB" in 1961 from Sid Gillman. His explanation of BOB was when (for EXAMPLE) if a team is in a CONVENTIONAL "34" (OKIE) look - the Center blocks the NOSE, & you have FULL BOB on BOTH sides, which implies that both Guards fan fan on first man on LOS (DE's), & both Tackles fan on second man on LOS (OLB'S). The RB's take the ILB's over the Guards. That - to MY understanding is PURE "BOB" on BOTH sides. Now, if you are in a ONE BACK SET (let's say that your FB aligned as an "H" back 1 yd outside the weakside OT) he CANNOT block an ILB OVER the Guard. Even if he COULD - the Center would be alone on an island. That is the reason that ONEBACK teams that I have known over the years run BOB on the callside, & base/solid on the backside.
Could be perhaps that your definition of "BOB" is slightly differen than mine. NOTE: "BOB" the way I use it CAN be used as an 8 (MAX); 7; or even 6 man protection. A GREAT video on this VERY PROTECTION was put out by Mark Richt when he was "OC" at FSU.
PS: We consider "MAX" protection to be when you can account for 8 men in the box - including perimeter pressure as #4 to either side (if in a 2 TE/2 WR/1 RB set), and 7 men i in the box - including perimeter pressure as #4 to either side (if in a 1 TE/3 WR/1 RB set.
MAX PRO to us is that protection which eliminates ALL Sight Adjustments & hots, which the above does for us. If I line up 4 men on each side of the ball ("Nickle Blitz" look) & bring 4 to one side & 3 to the other (covering your 4 on the line receivers M/M (IN A ONE BACK SET) - if you don't guess right, we will have a free man to one side. That is why we have the ABILITY to use 8 man protection with 2 free releases (X & Z) & 3 check releases (H-Y-RB). We can STILL get 5 out if they drop.
Below is a "NICKLE BLITZ" which we have used for YEARS. It is designed to bring 1 more than you can block (in NORMAL 6 or 7 man protections). OUR protection handles it well.
"TIGERCAT/COVER 0"
STRONG DE: 7 Technique — Power rush thru offensive tackle. Maintain slight outside leverage for containment should ROVER come off rush and absorb #3. Be alert for "I've got him" call from ROVER vs. Trips formations (ROVER covers #3). "I've got him" changes your rush to definite contain rush.
STRONG DT: 3 Technique — Lateral step and bull rush A gap unless Sam LB'er designates you to rush B gap ("switch" call). CHECK RUN FIRST.
WEAK DT: 1 Technique — Bull rush A gap unless Mike LB'er designates you to rush B gap ("switch" call). CHECK RUN FIRST.
WEAK DE: 5 Technique — Power rush through offensive tackle. Maintain slight outside leverage for containment should WILL come off rush and absorb #2. Be alert for "I've got him" call from Will vs. sets where #2 is aligned out to your side and not in backfield — such as Doubles. "I've got him" changes your rush to definite contain rush.
ROVER: 8 Technique (CHEAT LATE TO LOS) — Rush from outside to hip of the near back. Be alert to absorb #3 on any outside release (outside of DE). "I've got him" call to DE if #3 aligned out to your side and not in backfield — such as Trips. You take an "off man" alignment on #3.
WILL: 8 Technique (CHEAT LATE TO LOS) — Rush from outside to hip of the near back. Be alert to absorb #2 on any outside release (outside of DE). "I've got him call" to DE if #2 is aligned out to your side and not in backfield — such as Doubles. You take an "off man" alignment on #2.
SAM: 30 Technique — Rush B gap unless you give DT a "switch" call, then rush A gap. Be alert to absorb #3 on any inside release (inside DE).
MIKE: 30 Technique — Rush B gap unless you give DT a "switch" call, then rush A gap. Be alert to absorb #2 on any inside release (inside DE).
CORNERS: Cover 0 (M/M on #1 to your side).
SAFETY: Cover 0 (M/M on #2 to call side).
NOTE: ON "TIGERCAT" — YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE EVERY TIME, BUT YOU MUST HAVE THE MIND-SET THAT YOU ARE!!!!!
Bill, Thanks for that detailed and as always, concise and precise, post on your reasons for teaching what you do. The other coaches who have experienced success with their techniques just reinforces what we are always saying, more than one way to a successful conclusion to the same problem and go with what you know and coach what you are comfortable with.
JC
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Joe - the Center has ANYONE in "CENTER BOX" (DLM on him, or if uncovered - any MLB in "center box" which is on any part of his body). If he is uncovered - he blocks away from call. RB blocks TO call.
What I am describing as "BIG ON BIG" is what LaVell Edwards & Norm Chow used at BYU (see page 17 in their book "WINNING FOOTBALL WITH THE FORWARD PASS". Note that vs. the old 5-2, the Center blocked the nose, the Guards fanned out on the men on the Tackles, & the Tackles fanned out on the men on the TE. The RB's had the 2 ILB's (on the Guards) if they came, & more often than not - ONE of them was assigned to stay in IF his ILB didn't come to help the Center (they designated the back to stay that was LEAST IMPORTANT to the pattern being run).
Howard Schnellenberger did this VERY thing as "OC" with the Dolphins in their 17-0 season (& Super Bowl win). He also used this principle to win a National Championship at U. Miami in the mid 1980's (with Ji Kelly as QB).
We used this same protection as well, but in order to keep in consistent (STILL using the old 5-2 (now 3-4) as an example, once we went ONEBACK - we had to put a SOLID call on backside OFF G ON ILB (HELPING CENTER IF ILB DROPS); OFF T ON DE; OFF TE OR H ON OLB (RELEASE IF HE DROPS). We could not TRULY "FAN" or "BOB" (as I define it) on the backside of the 5-2 (3-4).
PS: We have certain "NEVERS": 1. We never Sight Adjust (we run a FEW WR pattern conversions based on CORNER play). 2. We never throw "hots". 3. We NEVER-NEVER-NEVER pull a O-Lineman out on a "double" or "dual read" (i.e. ILB to OLB). With pressure defenses the way they are today - you cannot dso this IF the ILB walks up in the line then drops, & the OLB's come screaming down to your QB).
WE WORK VERY HARD ON SECURITY IN PROTECTION, & TIMING BETWEEN QB'S & RECEIVERS!!!!!
In my trips and twins spread, I have my #1's stay with the huddle call for their routes, but give my #2's sight adjustment privileges. Has always worked pretty well for me. Was wondering your reason for not ever doing it? Is it that you do not feel comfortable with High School level receivers making good decisions in this area? Did you use them at higher levels? I always try to pin OLB's with #3 routes. Just curious as to what is your theory is based on.
JC
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Every great college coach I ever knew HATED "HOTS". Such people (that I visited when coaching in college) as:
1. Bobby Bowden (FSU) 2. Steve Spurrier (FLA) 3. LaVell Edwards & Norm Chow (BYU) 4. Dennis Erickson (& his "OC" Bob Bratkowski) at MIAMI.
Here is a quote from Norm Chow in his article "BYU PASSING GAME" in the AFCA 2000 Journal (you can pull this great article up online at the American Football Coaches Association site under "LIBRARY"):
"NUMBER ONE - WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT THE PASSER! IF YOU DECIDE TO RUSH 7, WE WILL BLOCK 7. IF YOU DECIDE TO RUSH 10, WE WILL TRY TO BLOCK 10. WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO PROTECT THE QB. YOU MAY BE BETTER THAN WE THAN WE ARE, BUT SCHEMATICALLY WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT THE QB".
Chow used 7 man protection MOSTLY, & if you brought #4 (S/S, etc.) he had the callside TE check out off him (whicjh gave you 8 man protection).
We use the following:
A) (2 TE/2 WR/1 RB) 8 man protection (free release 2 men & check release 3); & 7 man protection (free release 3 & check release 2) - BUT - the first time you bring BOTH men our RB is assigned to block (he has in OUR version of BOB - ILB to #4 who is peremiter blitzer). The FIRST time you bring BOTH men the RB is checking, we go back to 8 man protection - where the callside H or Y checks out on the DEAD RUN.
B) (1 TE/3 WR/1 RB) - normally 7 man protection will suffice.
We on RARE occassion will use 6 man protection, & sight to a hitch or fade TO THE SIDE THE F/S ALIGNS if they bring 4 to that side (sight to outside receiver unless slot present - then sight to slot). We do NOT feature this to any degree. I WANT TO PROTECT THE QB & SPEND ALL MY TIME ON THE TIMING OF ROUTES!!!!! NOTE: I do not like empty or "ghost" protection personally.
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PPS: The PRO coaches that I took from were MAX PRO GUYS ALSO!
1. Gillman 2, Coryell 3. Gibbs (he & Coryell ran a LIMITED amount of 6 man pro, but NEVER on 3rd & 7+) 4. Walsh (see the following passage from Bill Walsh's lecture at the 2003 AMERICAN FOOTBALL COACHES' ASSOCIATION (of which I am a Life Member):
BILL WALSH:
— There should be a better way to protect the passer than we do. One way is to use the "tight end" plus "H" & "RB" as pass protectors. All three of them would check and then release, but you would have a way to pick up eight rushers.
You have eight blockers. You'd have a way to pick up eight people. You have two receivers working against man-to-man coverage. Then as those people checking and then releasing, they would release on patterns that would be open vs. the zone. So you could deal with the zone with your late releases, you could deal with man-to-man with your two best receiving people, but you can protect the passer. Do I suggest that you do that full time? No. But I'd have the ABILITY to do it."