B.O.B Vs. Slide

I agree with oneback, you must have both ready to go. The first thing we do each week is figure out how we will pass pro. In our gun sets: (which side do we want to set the back?, can we free release the back?, what are their top 3-5 blitz's and will our BOB pick them up? If NO, then will slide protection work?

I would be curiuous to see how other coaches look at thier gameplanning pass pro.

JD

As a defensive coach, I always want to know what type of protection is being used. If you only use slide protection, I will always try and bring two guys off the edge to defeat it. If you ise BOB protection I will try and run a couple of different blitzes to try and confuse you. If you use both protections, my job becomes a heck of a lot harder trying to figure out when and why you are employing BOB or Slide protection.

Good luck!

From what I can remember, when using slide pro does the line slide away from the call side with the back picking up the emlos to the call side?
One reason Ive heard that some coaches don't like slide pro is because at times the oline is blocking on air.

Tiger one, thank you for your response. I was watching Coach CAmpbell's pass protection video the other day and remember him saying, "if you go into a full slide, and the offense has not been threatened with a blitz, then you have linemen setting on air." Hopefully I have not misinterpreted what coach Campbell said.
Also, I know with his 5 step protection he utilizes the BOB principle and double reads with the uncovered lineman on the backside. I know there has been some talk about the problems with dual reads and the mismatch a uncovered guard or back would have against a true 50 defense with the DE on the backside, and with the guard if he was in a double read instead of fanning out with the tackle. In our league we face this exact senario versus 5 out of the 8 teams we face each year. Not being an oline coach and coaching in a system that doesn't have a 5 step game (wing-t), I'm trying to learn as much as possible from coaches like yourself, one back, and Coach CAmpbell. Thanks in advance, Coach Mac

PS: Another interesting situation:

We all know that "BOB" is BASICALLY "MAN" pro, but you MUST incorporate SOME zone principles.

EXAMPLE: You are facing the old "PRO 4-3" (which is still around). MLB squarely on Center - 3-5 yds deep; DT on Guard; DE on TACKLE; OLB on TE. Now, according to "BOB" rules - the ON G has first DLM man on the LOS outside the Center Box", which is the DT on him; the ON T has the second man on the LOS outside the "Center Box", which is the DE.

Now, if an "E-T TWIST" occurs (DE comes inside the Tackle into the B gap & DE loops behind him into the C gap) a "SWITCH" must occur!!!!!

S"Slide" protection, of course, IS ZOME protection!

Oneback, you have cleared up a number of questions for me with your replies, thanks. Question, In our league vs a 50 the DE's are normally the's best players on the field and will always rush the QB and never drop back into coverege unless forced upon by formation. The OT''s in our league normally don't have the quickness to give them much resistance which makes me worry about fanning the tackle out on him. I know from reading past replies that protection is a must for a number of you, but I would really like to stop the DE coming full speed on my QB. If the defense knows we fan out and keep the backs in vs the 50 I feel that gives them an advantage. Thoughts?

Bill, appreciate your post. Guess that is why I don't have them sitting on air, we try to coach them better than that.

JC

Coach Mac - after re-reading your question - I believe you are referring to the 9 techniques (on TE or "Ghost End") as the "DE'S". Many now call them OLB's, but that isn't important.

The two BEST blockers on a good One-Back team (or ANY team in my opinion) must be "H" & "Y". The way that people blocked Lawrence Taylor was with a TE - not a Tackle (too often) & CERTAINLY not a RB!!!!!

The old Redskins (of better years) put Donny Warren on him. Donny was 6'7 & 260-265 - with QUICK FEET. He may have been the BEST blocking TE in the history of the NFL.

What WE do with this concept is to have "H" (ONE of your 2 TE'S - the CLOSEST thing YOU have to Donny Warren on YOUR team) block the OLB (DE) to the open side, & fan a tackle on him to the TE side (RB or TE can "chip" him before releasing if necessary).

Below is what Joe Gibbs said about blocking a Lawrence Taylor:


JOE GIBBS OFFENSIVE THEORY (ARTICLE FOLLOWING SUPER BOWL/1983)

The One-Back concept fits our personnel very well. If we played two backs simultaneously, one would have to do the blocking for the other. When Riggins carried, Joe Washington, who weighs only 180 pounds, would have to block for him. We would rather have one of those backs sitting on the bench resting and have a 260 pound tight end blocking for us (DONNY WARREN).

Second, our offense is better suited to the widespread use of the 3-4 defense. We had nine 3-4 teams to play. These teams have dominating outside linebackers who have taken over the game. When we play the Giants, they have Brad VanPelt and Lawrence Taylor on the outside. If you try to block Taylor with a back, you're going to lose. It's impossible, so it's better to have two tight ends. Then Lawrence Taylor has to rush around a 260 pound blocker if he wants to get into our backfield. That's a whole different story. With four good receivers, we can also threaten downfield with four men off the line of scrimmage.

NOTE: In 1983, the Redskins were 80-90% two tight ends, two wide receivers, and one running back (Riggins). On long yardage, they were one tight end, three wide receivers, and one running back. However, the Redskins mixed this up and use the three wide receiver lineup on first downs when the defense would probably not have a fifth defensive back in the game. Their aim is to match one wide receiver against a strong safety or a linebacker.

Really - you only have 3 choices: In order of preference they are:
1. Block OLB with H or Y
2. Block OLB with a Tackle
3. Block OLB with a Back.
NOTE: You CAN, of course, put 2 men on him! (One assigned - & another to help if needed)

ebbster50,

Is there an email I can reach you at to discuss your protection further?

Tks.

Bill,

When sending 2 men to block an OLB, who did Joe send as the second man (TE & T) or (TE & B)? Do you do this very often? If the second man is not needed, and I would not want him wasted, does his secondary assignment then become " help where you can"? Granted, there are not many LT's on the HS level, but when faced with a good one is this how you handle it?

JC

Bill

So you are saying that a tackle could block an OLB if there is a TE there and the TE is releasing? IF it is an openside tackle you don't want that tackle to block the OLB?

why is that

In slide pro who and what dictates the way the line slide's?
RC

J.C. - send me your email address again, & I can forward more on this concept that won't transmit thru onto this site (if interested).

J.C. = anytime we got a "DOUBLE INVERT" - the safeties keyed our ONEBACK. The Safety to the SIDE the RB stepped came down to the flat (so OLB WOULD COME FROM THAT SIDE), & the OTHER Safety went to DM 1/3!

This held true for us!