Veer Scheme or Loop scheme in Triple option

Coach, I run the veer against anything. My personal philosophy is to double team the down lineman, whether it's a 3-tech or a noseguard, and send the remaining players onto the inside linebacker. The reason why I love the option so much is based on the fact that it allows you to win with your skill players and not your linemen. Two bad linemen can block one good lineman. Also, the matchups are more favorable when OL block LB's. This is the primary reason I run the option. I certainly don't run it, b/c it looks pretty. This is something I hope can be discussed further.

"This is the primary reason I run the option. I certainly don't run it, b/c it looks pretty."

Lou--I think a well executed veer or midline option is one of the prettiest things in football. The only thing prettier is a "de-cleater" hit or block.

Lou -

We'll scoop the nose vs a 5-2 and we loop block to eliminate a LB. How do you handle a fast LB scrape to the QB?

Coach Cella:
Surely you think a well run ISV or Midline is a thing of beauty and you were just saying that you would use anything that gave you guys an honest chance to succeed?
Could we have an Option contributor as helpful as you who didn't love the asthetics of the triple?
Thanks for all you mind expanding observations.
Grace Alone,
Greg B
(the amature)

Coaches,

Thank you for your replies. I'd like to continue this topic.

Coach Cella if the DT is in a 4 or 4i how does your OT get to the linebacker with an inside veer release? Is this the time you would loop and get the LB?

I've done as some explained. Veer everything, except a 5-2(4 or 4i tech DT)loop to ILB.

Coach Campbell just answer the question you posed, Coach Tinglof. I learned the loop technique from him back in 2000.

Hang 50- explain what you mean. Do you mean that the ILB takes the QB before or after the mesh?

Beetle- I love the option, purely based on the fact that it eliminates blocking. That's why the triple option is the greatest system in football. I learned the midline and the veer from Coach Campbell. Once I started realizing what it can do for offensive linemen, I knew that I had to run it. Then, I realized that if I combined the Option with the Wing-T--imagine what that can do. The quest continues, Beetle.

Out of what formation, coach Berlin?

Coach Easton

We are a flexbone team which uses man blocking schemes for most of what we do. That is why I was thinking about getting two hats on plsd LB. We have difficulty running load to SE when we don't have a slot sitting out there to help load on Plsd LB.

You zone guys just do things a little bit different. We on the other hand are very accustomed to our balanced sets and huge splits. However, we saw Coach Campbell talk in Toledo and are now very interested in incorporating zone schemes into our offense.

We just do not want to worship two masters. We love the idea of zone blocking and the option on me concept. It is just tough for us to unbalance some of our sets and shrink those big old splits of ours. Right now when we run IV we have 3 to 5 foot splits. Now that is a pretty easy read for the QB.

I do have some questions for you zone guys.

1) How wide can those splits be and still run midline and inside veer.

2) looks like the base rules don't fit as far as all linemen stepping plsd. Is there for no better word "counter rotation" for the zone blocking rules triple stuff. midline. IV, OV.

3) I don't know if any other flexbone guys have gone through this but if you have found a better way to skin the cat let me know.

Finally, I love what we do. We may never change. I am just looking for the keys to the kingdom.
Coach Berlin

Coach Cella and Coach Campbell,

Thank you for the replies. Coach Cella I'm in the same situation right now I've been a wing-t coach for eight years now and have added triple and midline option the last two years. I would like to really work on the option part of my offense more. I mainly run isv and midline out of our red/Blue formations(TE/WB and SE/Slot). Triple to the SE openside and midline to the TE side. I have run it either way but just a motion, formation and key breaker.

Thanks,


Dave

Coach Berlin,We too run flexbone offense.E-mail me if interested in exchanging cut ups or game film.
lotiefs@bellsouth.net

Coach Berlin,

I am also running the flexbone offense(just installing this year), and I have a couple of questions. First, you mentioned that you vary your line splits from 3-5 feet. I was hoping that you could enlighten me on what kind of defensive adjustments you commonly see when you are in a set that uses 5 ft splits. I originally planned on using 3 ft splits exclusively, but if 5 ft splits help with QB reads AND screw up the defense, I am all for it. Secondly, I too am struggling with the zone vs. big on big blocking scheme. If you were to convert to a zone scheme, what would your fronside rules be on the following: IV, OV, and load. Would you zone the midline as well? Thanks in advance for any help you can give!!

Coach Potts

Coach Potts-
I am not the zone blocking guru in this forum. I leave that up to Coach Campbell, Tiger One, Oneback. Come to think of it ....they have a heck of a lot more wins then I do. So what does that tell ya about what works. ( I must be an idiot)

We run what we run and have found some success doing it. I love to talk about this kind of stufff. you can email me at aberlin@gpsk12.net