Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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It's funny you say that, because I don't see what is so "wild and wonderful" about what seems to be a slightly more flexible version of the 5-3 either. That being said, I too would like to hear what different coordinators are doing to attack this front.
If you were to believe everything people are saying out here, you'd think that there is NO WAY to be successful against it. I'm certain that's not the case.
We don't see any 30 stack in our league, so I haven't really had to plan. We see some 5-3 (again, which to me is pretty much the same thing besides some slight adjustments) and we have the standard stuff against that.
Just another way of making the 50 more mobile, a few different angles to block. Tough though, imo the 53 is the best run stopper ever invented! Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Its such a PITA because you never know how many are going to rush, or from where they are coming. I think it forces you to area block for pass pro, it can really mess with your QB reads if you rely on reading defenders dropping in to coverage, and puts your run blocking rules to the test if you choose to run inside against it. Not sure how long the 3-5-3 cycle is going to last, but it is catching fire with many teams going to it.
KD, If you teach your QB's how to read the defense correctly, you always teach that the QB will read the defender in zone and the receiver in man. One he will be attacking a particular area(zone) of the field, while in man he is attacking a single defender. Have your QB make a decision as to who he wants to get the ball, in his PSL. This makes it necessary to read only 50 % of the field and by zeroing in on a desired receiver it reduces it to reading 1/3 of the field actually. By using the BLS technique(best located safety) he is the one farthest from your intended receiver, he can make an intelligent informed decision on where to throw the ball. Don't have the time to go through all the PSL reads right now, suffice it to say that no matter what defense your looking at, when the ball is snapped and he is well versed in his progression reads (always a progression verses both man or zone) he can throw against any thing they put out there to stop him from being successful. You must, imo, progression read because if you can't get it to the predetermined receiver you decided on in the PSL, you must know how to check down to the next best receiver. Good example of this is what we call a "predesignated receiver" that indicates the coaches have seen something and they want the QB to get the ball to a specific receiver. They tell him to stay with this guy as long as possible, but lots of times he is just not a good choice and the QB has to know how to go to a second and third receiver in the progression the play calls for. Just remember, no defense(or offense) is inpenitrable and with good coaching and teaching of sound fundamentals, you can defeat either.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
One way to attack the 353 is to get a certical stretch going then have a check receiver, or maybe one called too, run underneath. Reading throough Lansdell's 30 Stack book, i noticed that he relies very heavily on the combo zones which would make it very difficult for the QB to recognize and adjust his reads. The fact that pressure MUST be applied from the 2nd level forces the defense to commit and play a game of smoke and mirrors. The one thing I do like about the 30 is that it can come out in the same formation and execuate a ton of different looks and covers. It isnt limited by personnel or formation in that regards. Being a 50 coach myself, this is a good change of pace that allows for better athletes to be playing the game than the big slugs need for the more traditional sets.
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From speaking with coaches who run the 3-5-3, the obvious attack point is off-tackle. However, I know that inside veer is a great play to run against the 3-5-3 if you double the nose, veer block the ILB with the PT and block down on the stacked backer with your slot/tight end. The veer can easily be run against the 3-5-3.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
Coach JC, the 3-5-3 doesn't change my PSL 1/2 field decision or the PSR confirmation of the 1/2 field decision, I still read Mike when attacking the undercoverage, and the FS when attacking the deep coverage, regardless of zone or man. These rules work well for the QB reads as we don't read a defender dropping in to coverage to determine which receiver in the progression gets the ball. We just make our half field decision with the PSL, confirm it with the PSR, then work the progression to that side... it doesn't matter to me what the 3-5-3 does in coverage, our rules will find the open man. Now with Pass Pro, it bothers us to no end because we must area block and the back must check release.
I think the 3-5-3 is vulnerable to being gutted with horizontal full field stretches when they are in zone. In man, the usual C1 beaters will work fine. Just my opinion, I have to wait 6 more weeks to see if I am right.
Appreciate your input! My thinking has always been somewhat of "maverick" in that I don't like to do what is expected. For example, pertaining to this discussion, against man under or full man across the board, the "normal" call is for crossing routes to take advantage of the picks and rubs, mesh for the same reason, etc. I know my receivers as I personally recruit them, and I feel as though I have guys who can fly in a 5 vertical deep pattern and we can win like that. So, that is what I do. Now, I'm not stupid and unsound, at least I try my best not to be either of those two and so I will run the conventional thinking stuff, as well as, not so conventional. Then, when I feel the time is right to pop a big one on them, we give it our best shot with something not so conventional. Just my way. Does your spring start in 6 weeks? Where are you located?
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
JC, must be nice to coach 5 wide receivers when your "slow" guy is 4.5! Coach, you gotta keep that in mind when you give your advice on the board, since most of us here are are HS coaches and we aren't coaching former D1 and D2 athletes as you are. We are lucky if we get a D1 kid every few years. We feel blessed this year as our starting 4 wides, and our back, are all 4.9 or faster. Yes, our HS spring practice starts for us next month here on the West Coast.
The slotback (or tight end) will wash the stacked backer and the fullback will cut accordingly. If you run split-back veer, I would tell my halfback to hug the double team and get as north as possible. I hope this answered the question.
We're optioning the five technique, so the concern isn't there. The QB will have to pitch the ball quickly if he pulls the ball. But, we always stress to our QB's-- ALWAYS PITCH THE BALL OFF THE PITCH KEY--- NEVER THE DIVE KEY!!!!!!!! I hope this was helpful.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
I try to be cognizant of the point you bring out when I offer advice here on the forum, thanks for reminding me. However, I did coach HS football for a lot of years and I am not not unaware of the differences in the two levels. The principles of the game are always the same, with the dichotomy being the speed at which each level performs from Youth to the NFL. I always like to add also that the degree of preparation that goes into the game plan at the higher levels are quite a bit more involved on both sides of the ball. At any rate, I appreciate your comments. Good luck with the upcoming spring session!
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Another base rule I always use when teaching the option: Perhaps you could have made a BETTER READ, but you are NEVER WRONG GIVING IT TO THE DIVE BACK. Some would ask "Why is that?" and the answer is simply because that is the way the BLOCKING IS DESIGNED TO GO.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Hang 50, I don't disagree with you, but other than the wall block, there's really nothing else you can do. We did this against two of our opponents and it did work. Too bad we couldn't stop anybody on defense. Take care coach.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
Teams in our league have run 5-3 or 3-5 stacks for quite a while now.
We've found that the trap off toss action worked quite nicely from the I or a Wing-T. The toss action gets the LB's stacked on the DE's to usually flow to the outside, traditional trap rules with the G-C-G with the playside G usually going for the MLB stacked, but the C and PSG are essentially blocking Gap-Down with the BSG trapping the first wrong colour to show outside the C.
Backfield action is a playside open by the QB, the 'whirly-bird' pitch routine where he shows the ball and then rotates backside and brings it down for the trap handoff to the FB. Although it seems silly, that whirly-bird toss rountine seems to catch the eyes...
We also found that by motions and formations we can 'break the stacks' - if they don't we usually had some good angles for the playaction game.
Quote Originally posted by: TIGER ONE Just another way of making the 50 more mobile, a few different angles to block. Tough though, imo the 53 is the best run stopper ever invented! Coach Easton
Coach Easton -
We are going to implement a 5-4-2/3-3-5/5-3-3 package this season for the exact reasons you posted, namely to give slightly different looks while stemming out of a odd front.
Quote but other than the wall block, there's really nothing else you can do.
Lou -
For the triple vs the 3-5-3, we scoop the nose with the BSG and center. The PSG has Mike. The PST takes a veer releases to the stacked LB. The PS Slot seals the LB if he scrapes over top and tracks the FS if the LB plugs.
Now I have eliminated the stacked LB if he plugs for the Dive or scrapes for the QB and we have a 3 on 2 fast break against the 5 tech and OLB!
The weakness of the wall scheme vs a 3-5 scheme is a plugging LB for the dive and a 5 tech in the C gap playing QB.
Quote out of the I - buck, crossbuck, handback, midline, trap...
out of double slot - midline, trap, dive, veer
attack the middle.
The key is hitting up the middle with quick hitters which you mentioned with the midline, trap, dive, veer.
I think the buck and cross buck are even more effective if the guards don't pull. Mike will fly out of there and not redirect until it is too late. A pulling guatd will tip off a well coached Mike and you gain nothing.
We have seen the 3-5-3 for two seasons now and have found that the coaches we come across do not want to unbalance their defense. Thus we unbalance our offense with trip receivers to one side and a split on the backside. They have to move an outside linebacker out to cover #3 or the Free Safety. IF they move the LB we like to attack with the run at the area vacated. IF they move the Free we want to pass. The backside slant is usually open or we will roll or boot to the three receivers and run combination routes. On our level the we creat a mismatch by putting a quality receiver on a outside linebacker or strong safety type in the #3 position in trips. To run the ball we like to counter pulling the backside guard and tackle or run the inside trap to the single back and not block the backside DE.
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