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I have seen teams pitch the ball two different types of ways. When running either the midline or veer option, if it is a pitch read, I have seen some pitch relationships where the pitch back is approx. 5 yds. deep and 3 yds. ahead of the QB. In this case the pitch is on a 45 degree angle. I have also seen a pitch relationship where the back receives the pitch approx. 3 yds. deep, but 4-5 yds ahead of the QB. In this case the pitch appears to be almost parallel with the line of scrimmage.
Coaches what are your thoughts on pitch relationship? Do you like to run the midline or veer with the pitch back receiving the ball deeper in the backfield, or do you prefer them receiving the pitch a little shallower, but out in front more?
Have run the triple for a lot of years, never saw any reason to change our pitch relationship which is 1 yd. deep and 5 yds. wide. Never could see a pitch relationship that is any deeper as we are supposed to be going forward, not backward, agreed?
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
i agree with the idea of not going backwards. but doesnt that angle allow a DE's hands to get involved with the pitch.
Now, i cant say we pitch alot. Because our midline is more of a double option with Q and F. So i like this idea of a wider relationship. even without a pitch it must draw a pitch defender to the perimeter.
I have never ran the midline option before, but I have ran the QB Veer from the spread, and a little Veer Option with the Tight Slot coming around as the pitch back. I would say that my experience with the option game isn't very much. Most of my experience in the option game is with the Speed Option. When we run the Speed Option we deepen our Super Back to 7 yds. The QB and SB both drop their opposite foot and run downhill. The QB attacks the inside shoulder of the DE. This pitch usually occurs around 5 yds. deep and 4 yds. outside. I was trying to get the same pitch relationship when I was running Veer Option.
Coach, just to confirm what you wrote in your above reply is that when you pitch the ball, your QB pitches the ball more width wise, rather than with width and depth?
My question Coach Easton is, "If you are pitching the ball 5 yds. wide and only 1 yd. deep, doesn't this give the DE a better chance to knock the ball down if you are attacking his inside shoulder.
A couple of years ago I remember watching an ARMY game and they were running midline and veer option and they were pitching the ball the same way as you have been (with more width). However, when they were pitching the ball, it wasn't with a lot of velocity. As a matter of fact it didn't even have a medium amount of velocity. It appeared as though the pitch back was running 3/4 speed and the pitch was like an "end over end" lob. I guess that they were more concerned with completing the pitch, instead of completing the pitch with good speed. What are your thoughts on the pitch?
with regard to your question about the DE's hands getting involved: If your QB is taught the correct technique to pitch the football (drop his hips, step toward his target, extend his pitching hand toward his target and making an underhand thumb down pitch) the DE is not going to mess up to many pitches, imo. Now, even a blind hog finds an acorn evry now and then, granted. I just happen to favor the thumb down method, while I have nothing at all against the basketball push technique that works well for lots of QB's. Your right about the defender who has pitch responsibility being drawn to the perimeter by a wider pitch relationship. As a HS QB, I used to pitch with an underhanded spiral pitch of the ball to a greatly expanded pitch relationship by the RB and it was as expedient a way of getting the ball on the perimeter almost as a hitch pass of today. The wider the relationship, the wider it makes the force guy travel.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Coach, The Army pitch obviously is one designed to float the ball up in the RB's face, (thumb down method) that I stated in above post that I favor. However, I have never been a proponent of a "slow" velocity pitch because that is the one that gives the DE a fighting chance of breaking up the play, just as you were concerned about.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I'm a 5 x 1 pitch also. We tell our backs that when the ball is being pitched you should be catching the ball and already be going forward. There are times, it almost looks like a foward pitch. as long as the pitch is parellel or slightly back that is all you need. You do not want you QB pitching to a mna that is behind the QB too much or too far away from the QB. Additionally, you don't want the pitch too deep and give the defense time to come up and make a play. The DE should not be a problem, if the QB is pitching that means he felt the DE is committing to him and the pitch back is not being covered by the DE. Just a few opininos, I've heard a ton on this topic of pitch relationship!!! Good luck.