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For those of you who initially key the 3-step drop of the QB, what do you do vs. shotgun? It is much more difficult to tell the difference between 3-5-7 step drops out of the gun versus under center. For instance, versus a "smash" combination, we wind up converting to man versus 3-step with QB under center, but against the gun, it is more "cloudy" for the corner, and he needs to defend the corner route... Any thoughts?
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on May 6, 2005 7:11:42 GMT
First off, I don't see the advantage of converting to man againt a smash combo. Esp if you're in cover 3. You're already in great position to play it. However, you are right that gun makes it difficult to read 3 step routes. I teach that if a team is in gun, you have to watch the receiver and key his hips. If his hips drop, he's cutting or settling down and you can drive on him. If the hip drop is just a set up for a hitch and go or a change of speed to throw the DB off, he should still be in position to make "incidental contact" and slow up the receivers route.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
Can't see what your thinking when you say cover #3 presents great position to defend smash combo. If I run a 6 yd hitch by my #1 on your CB who is setting off 7-9 yds on the strong side, on the outside shoulder if he is in a true cover #3 alignment, we are going to win that matchup everytime, or at least we should. That puts my #2 receiver one on one with the FS who has to roll over to make the play on the corner route. I coach my #2 receivers to read the FS all the way and if he is slow reacting to just cut the break point down and get on the corner route at about 10-12 yds. What is your thinking on this, coach?
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Coaches, There is no doubt that the smash combo is tough to cover in a 3-shell - as much as it looks good on paper, the corner needs to be trained to see the #2 reciever on the corner route. As for the question posed in the first reply, we initially key the 3-step drop of the QB - on 3-step, the DBs eyes go immediately from the QB to the receiver he is aligned on and we play man, regardless of the route combination - if the QB goes past 3-steps (5, 7, etc.) or on PA Pass, we play our zone rules - in that case, yes, the Corner would sink to the deep 1/3rd and cover the corner, wheel or whatever... My orignal question, "How do you key the 3-step vs. shotgun", still remains unanswered - Our pre-snap/on-snap key is the QB for the 3-step in Cover 3 - we key men in MAN coverage, QB in zone....
Still need a little help with the shotgun situation - currently vs. gun we scrap our 3-step read, and play pure zone - this is safer against combinations, but not as aggressive vs. the quick game....
If you have the personnel and really want to make it harder on guys like me, scrap Zone ALL TOGETHER and play man straight across the board. As an ex-QB, I would have much rather thrown against a zone, ANY ZONE, than a man cover scheme that features DB's rolled up and playing hard man under any day of the week! Roll 'em up, jam the receivers and do your best to not let them get out! Thats my philosophy in a nutshell. Sure, if you can't match up with them, then obviously you have to revert to zone. But, if not, jam 'em and get in there hip pocket and put your best against their best on every play they want to throw it! Just my way.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
No doubt about it, coach. We mix in some press man-free with our 3, then play around with pressing and bailing or starting off and "creeping" up just pre-snap - particularly good against teams that auto-check their 3-step routes at the line. We have baited people into INTs quite a bit that way. We also will get into a "nickel" scheme (replace a LB w/ another DB) and play 1/4s coverage behind it, mainly in long yardage situations.... What coverage schemes have given you the most difficulty with your offensive philosophy - we don't see too much wide-open passing in our area...
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on May 6, 2005 19:08:51 GMT
I see no problem with cover 3 against the smash combo b/c i have my SS in the flat to get the 6-7 yd. hitch. And my corner has to be reading both #1 and #2. I teach my corners to glance at #2 if #1 has settled. He has to know that the deep route is more important than that underneath 6-7 yarder and have faith that his safety in the flat will get that. It would never be an LB on that b/c I'd play my SS to the 2 receiver side and if the offense was 2x2, I'd check to a cover 2. Plus, the SS should be playing head up on the #2 and impeding his progress to get upfield, thus throwing off the timing of the smash.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
You have a plan for a 2 x 2 set, how about covering my 3 x 2 without using a LB unless you want to take your FS out of the MOF? I want #1 on a 6 yd. hitch, the #2 on a corner at 15-18 yds. and the #3 trips side on a seam choice, complimented by backside slot on a straight go to influence safety and a 12 square in by the backside #1? I know your a good DB coach, just trying to see how your mind works against this pattern and what would you call to stop it?
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on May 11, 2005 15:57:25 GMT
If I was playing you, I would've scouted and known that you run mainly a 3 x 2 set, leaving only the QB as the only immeadiate running threat and would gameplan to run a nickel or dime as my primary defense. My DTs would be crossing to clog up middle running lanes. I'd primarily be running a man free scheme. However, if i was going to run a zone, it would be a cover 2 and gameplanning to sink my corner on the 2 receiver side when he sees the #1 go inside and #2 go vertical on the backside. The corners would have to play outside leverage and make sure they did not get beat to the outside by the #1, forcing the receivers to bunch more and making the deep coverage easier. The nickel would jam the hell out of the #3, and not let him get a good free release upfield to influence the FS too early. There is no way to defend a 3x2 set without bringing a backer out of the box, at least no real sound way. But taking him out doesn't do much damage b/c the run threat isn't immeadiate or severe. Plus, that's why the DTs are crossing. That's my best stab at it after a few minutes of consideration.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
This is one of those "whoever has the chalk last wins" deals! HAHA If your have superior PLAYERS then your going to be successful with your plan. If I have, then I'm going to win most often. I like your thinking. Your right, not much of a run threat showing, but I have three QB's who can REALLY run and I like to turn them loose when the opponent is least expecting it. We open our preseason in 10 days, will let you know how we do.
Coach Esaton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Reading 3 step under center is so much easier than gun - as stated above. Problem to me is that you don't have practice time trying to work both (gun / under center). In fact, isn't 3 step vs cover 3 a weakness to the defense? If 3 step is hurting you, maybe cover 2 will help.
If this is true about 3 step and cover 3, I would think you would want to make sure your CB's are making good, sharp breaks and attacking receiver with the proper leverage to make stop for a minimal gain. I am not sure I have seen hardly any high school QB's deliver the ball on time to a quick route timing (slant/stop/etc) out of the gun - it is almost always thrown late. With this in mind, if there is 1 standup receiver, our CB's have eyes on QB and then to receiver on snap of ball, so we basically play a man tech in this situation of cover 3. Having eyes on QB to begin with does two things: 1. Looks like zone on pre snap 2. allows CB to see motion which might possibly change our technique in cover three. If there are two standups (twins / trips) CB's play a zone technique with eyes on ball to #2.
Reading the front shoulder of the QB - you will notice that when in the "GUN" the 3 step game is usually thrown with the QB taking what amounts to a "SHORTSTOP'S PIVOT".
Pivot like a shortstop going to third base on the three step game to the right. Pivot like a shortstop going to second base on the 3 step game to the left!
Just seems to me that a QB holds the ball up so high when he is under center in the 3 step game that it is easy to read it. From the gun, I understand what you are saying, but it just doesn't seem to be the same read which now takes up more practice time.
If a QB is trained properly he will not hold the ball any differently than when he drops back to run a sprint draw or throw a 3 step route from up under. The idea of the QB holding the ball up high for all to see went out in 1960! It is all about developing good sound mechanics in the QB.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I totally agree with what you are saying, but the key word there is "IF"! We ran the spread a few years ago and if we played ourselves, it would have been easy to read the difference in 3/5 step! Unfortunately, the mechanics of many QB's aren't consistent enough in my opinion. I was actually told by a 1AA DC that they do not read QB any more for 3/5 step due to my initial question which surprised me.
A lot do, & a lot don't. Depends on coach, coverage, etc. Get Nick Rapone's great DVD series on secondary play - he teaches it well (contact him at U of Delaware). I know the Patriots read the 3 step game - I have their DB technique sheet (off man).
YOU ARE RIGHT ON WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF MOST QB'S NOT BEING CONSISTENT WITH THEIR MECHANICS. As you know I'm sure, most high school level coaches take the best athlete they have and make him the QB, irregardless of his actual training at the position. This to me is foolish, but go with what you know as we always say. Our QB is back 6-8 yds in the empty nest, so "dropping" is not in our vocabulary. Our QB's are always moving laterally as the depth is already attained and that can't always be the case if you have a gun QB at only 5 yds depth.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Agree totally with your assessment of QB's not being consistent on the HS level. Most HS level coaches, as you know, take the best athlete and make him the QB irregardless of his previous training at the position. To me that is foolish, but as we always say " go with what you know". I have my QB's back at 6-8 yds in the empty nest so "drops" are not in our vocabulary as we are always going to be moving LATERALLY, NOT BACKWARD. This makes reading our QB's pretty much impossible as far as determing the pass to be in the 3-5-7 step range.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE