zone play against double 2 techs???

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Originally posted by: TIGER ONE
Hey Vertical,

Where are the ends and the LB's when in Double tites? How do they align against your 5 wide (3 x 2)?

Coach Easton

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Coach -

When we go Double TE, the DEs are either in a 6 or a 9. Against the 5 Wide, we usually get Double 4s or Double 5s.

To avoid confusion with terminology, here is what these numbers mean to me:

1 - shaded on the C
2 - head up on OG
3 - shaded to the OGs outside shoulder
4 - Head up on OT
5 - Shaded to the OTs outside shoulder
6 - head up on TE
7 - Shaded to the inside shoulder of the TE
9 - shaded to the outside shoulder of the TE

Coachjd -

Traditionally, we have run inside trap, power, and blast against double 2 techs. Basically, we will blow up the A gaps until the defense can stop it.

As far as the zone play goes, are you saying that reading the DE is the best way to determine inside/outside zone if the DTs are both playing a 2 tech? So, if the DE is in a 7 tech, you want to run outside zone and if the DE is in a 6 or wider, you want to run inside (unless your TE can handle the DE)? That would make sense.

As far as the rolled up SS goes - If you call zone to the right and the SS is rolled up to the right, you guys check opposite (to the left)?

for our zone
rotating to the bslb
we try and go to the innermost de and then the innermost dt

to the 7 and to the 1, that way we get double teams all across the frontside

rolled up doesn't matter to us, we are bringing someone over to block him anyway, with the counter coming off that motion so they can't just key it

great system, smithson valley runs it with (mostly) subpar athletes on the ol and have gone deep deep into the playoffs here in texas the last few years

Tiger what do you mean when you say put another blocker to the playside? Do you mean pull a lineman? or just line the guy up their pre snap

Govertical -If you have 5 blockers & they have 5 in the box - IZ = GREAT vs double 2's! Also from 2 TE if they have 7 in box.

PS: Fax me that protection you were going to send!

Tog, What I was trying to convey was simply this: I understood you to say you would not be bothered by a rolled up ss as you are going to send someone to block him anyway. My thinking was you would not want to pull someone to block him, imo, so thought you would be talking about a backside aligned H back or whatever you have aligned in the PSL. Thus my wording, ACROSS THE FORMATION (from backside to frontside) because in doing this you are taking a blocker away from the intended playside. I assumed you would run AWAY FROM the strength of the defense, not into it. Am I making myself more clear in my thinking or no?

Coach Easton

Center zones with PLAYSIDE GUARD vs double 2's. Unless the two's play B gap responsibility (one MIGHT, but probably not both) you are running against "double wide" (double white), & Alex Gibbs says that there is no better play in football vs "double wide" than the IZ!

In the old ORIGINAL numbering of defensive techniques (FIRST used by Bum Phillips as an assistant to BEAR BRYANT at Texas A&M) - 2 techniques had A gap responsibility (you can see that the "BEAR" told him he had DRAW & TRAP)!!!!!. The years have changed some of these, but these were the "BEAR'S"!!!


Description of the defensive techniques (in Coach Bryant's own words):

0- The defender lines up head on the offensive center. Depending on the situation, the distance he lines up off the football will vary. On a short yardage situation, he will line up close to the center's head. On a long yardage situation, normally he will be about one yard off the ball. He will use either a three- or four-point stance, with one foot staggered. His technique is to play the center's head with a quick hand shiver on the snap of the ball. When he makes contact with the center, he brings his back foot up so his feet are even with each other. If the quarterback goes straight back to pass, the 0 technique man is responsible for a draw play, and then he rushes the passer. If it is a run instead of a pass play, he will keep the center away from his blocking surface, not permitting himself to be tied up in the middle of the line, and he will pursue the ball taking his proper angle depending on the type of running play.


1- The main job of the player(s) employing the 1 technique is to control the offensive splits, forcing the guards to keep their splits to a minimum. He is also responsible for keeping the center off of the defensive linebacker. If both guards are playing in this technique, only one will "slam" the center, and the other will take a long step toward his guard, playing him from inside-out. He must always be aware of the trap coming from the inside, however. If the play is a back-up pass, he is responsible for the draw first, and rushing the passer second. If it is a running play, he will slam the center or guard and then pursue the football.

2. The 2 technique is similar to the 0 technique. One difference is the guard (note: you might now call him a tackle) is head on the offensive guard, instead of on the offensive center. The distance he lines up off the ball in a staggered stance will be determined by the tactical situation. On the snap of the ball he plays the guard with a hand shiver, and immediately locates the football. If it is a back-up pass and there is no man in a 0 or 1 technique, he will look for the draw play first, and then rush the passer. If it is a running play, he will look first toward the inside for a trap, and then pursue the football.


3. The 3 technique is similar to the 1 technique. The 3 man is responsible for keeping the offensive tackle's split cut down, and on occasion to keep the offensive guard or tackle from blocking the defensive linebacker. He, too, lines up with the feet slightly staggered, and about one foot off the ball. Depending on the defense, when the ball is snapped he will play either the guard or tackle with a quick flipper or shiver, preferably with the hands. He is to watch for the trap at all times. If the play is a straight drop back pass, he will rush the passer from the inside. If it is a running play, he will pursue the football

4. The 4 technique man lines up head on the offensive tackle and abut one to one and one-half feet off the ball. He will have his feet staggered, and on the snap of the ball he is to play the offensive tackle with a quick hand or forearm flipper. If it is a running play toward him, he must whip the offensive tackle, be ready to stop the handoff, and help out on the off-tackle play. If it is a straight back pass, he will rush the passer from the inside. If the play goes away or to the far side, he will control the offensive tackle and pursue the football. On his angle of pursuit he should never go around the offensive tackle, but pursue the football going through the tackle's head.


5. The 5 technique man lines up on the outside eye of the offensive tackle, with the feet staggered (outside foot back in most cases). On the snap of the ball he employs a forearm flip charge into the tackle. As he makes contact, his back foot is brought up even with his front foot. He has 75% off-tackle responsibillity, and he should never be blocked by only one man. If it is a straight back pass, he should rush the passer from inside-out. If the play comes toward him, he should whip the tackle and make the play. He must be certain to keep the offensive blocker in front of him at all times as the 5 man will be eliminated from the play very easily if he tries to go around his blocker. If the play goes away from him, he must pursue the football. He is instructed not to cross the offensive line of scrimmage when employing a 5 technique.

6. The 6 technique player lines up head on the offensive end. If the end splits too far, the 6 man is to "shoot the gap." He is primarily responsible for keeping the offensive end from releasing quickly on passes, and he must keep the end from blocking the linebacker. He is responsible for the off-tackle play. Consequently he must not be blocked in our out. The game situation will determine how far he lines up off the ball, but it will usually vary from one to three yards. If the play is a straight back pass, he is responsible for rushing the passer fom the outside-in. If the passer runs out of the pocket, the 6 man must not permit him to get to the outside. He must either tackle the passer or force him to throw the football. If the play comes toward the 6 man, he whips the end with a flip or shiver charge, and helps out on both inside and outside. He never crosses the line of scrimmage unless it is a back-up pass. If it is an option play toward him, he must make the quarterback pitch the ball or he must tackle the quarterback. If the flow goes away from him, he trails the play. He should be as deep as the deepest man in the offensive backfield so he can contain the reverse play back to his side, not permitting the ball carrier to get outside of him.


7. The 7 tehnique player line up splitting the inside foot of the offensive end. He is responsible for forcing the end to reduce his offensive split. We want him to line up with the outside foot staggered, and he must never be blocked out by the offensive end. He has 75% inside responsibility and 25% outside responsibility. When the ball is snapped, he uses a hand or forearm flipper charge on the offensive end and brings his back foot up even with his front foot. His main responsibility is to whip the offensive end, and to close the off-tackle play. If the play is a straight drop back pass, he is the outside rusher and he must not permit the quarterback to get outside of him. If the play goes away from him, he is to trail the ball carrier. He plays just like the trail or chase man on the 6 technique. He should be as deep as the deepest offensive backfield man so he can contain any reverse play coming back to his side of the line. He should not let such a play get outside of his position.

8. When we speak of a man playing an 8 technique, we are speaking of a "true end," or a defensive end who lines up outside of the offensive end. The 8 man will be from one and one-half to three yards outside of the offensive end's normal position, with his inside foot forward, and his shoulders parallel with the line of scrimmage. If it is a straight back pass, the defensive end, without taking his eyes off the passer, will turn to his outside, and using a cross-over step will sprint to his outside trying to get width and depth to play the ball to his side. His depth should be 8-10 yards deep, similar to a linebacker's position covering the flat. He stops running when the quarterback stops to set up. When the ball is thrown, he sprints for the ball. If the play comes toward the 8 man, we want him to cross the line of scrimmage about two yards, getting set with his inside foot forward, shoulders parallel with the line of scrimmage, and playing the outside blocker. He is the outside contain man, and he must never permit the ball to get outside of him. He never makes the quarterback pitch on option plays. If it is a running pass toward him, he is the outside contain and rush man. If the flow goes away from him, he must make sure it is not a reverse play back to his side before he takes the proper angle of pursuit, which is through the area where the defensive safety man lined up originally.


9. The 9 technique splits the outside foot of the offensive end. He should line up 14 inches off the line of scrimmage, with most of the weight on his outside foot, which is back. When the ball is snapped, the 9 technique man will take a short step with his inside foot toward the offensive end, and at the same time he will deliver a hand or forearm shiver to the head of the offensive end. If the offensive end blocks in and the play comes toward him, the 9 man immediately looks for the near halfback or the trapper, expecting to be blocked by either offensive man. If a running play comes toward him and the quarterback is going to option the football, he must make the quarterback pitch the ball. If the quarterback is faking the ball to the fullback, the 9 man must "search" the fullback for the ball first. The 9 technique man never crosses the line of scrimmage. If the offensive play is a straight back pass, the 9 man delivers a blow to the end, and drops back two or three yards looking for the screen or short pass. He is in a position to come up and make the tackle if the quarterback gets outside of your outside rusher and the quarterback decides to run with the football. If the flow goes away, he is the trail man and has the same responsibilities as the 6 and 7 technique man, which I explained previously. The most important coaching point is that the man playing the 9 technique must deliver a good blow to the offensive end on every play.

Great discussion fellas!!!

Govertical, you are correct in how we make our check in our 2 TE sets.


Oneback, the description of the techniques is very cool!!!

JD

Hey Tog,

Thanks for your explanation of what you guys do. Isn't it funny how it ALWAYS BOILS DOWN TO PERSONNEL ISSUES? You can only do WHAT you have to do WITH. You Know what they say; neccesity is the mother of invention!

Coach Easton

5 over 5 doesn't necessarily turn the blocking scheme into a man scheme. You must still want to track with uncovered linemen. It only turns into man when the second level defenders get heavy to the L.O.S. Coach CAmpbell

5 over 5 usually will occur with the 3-4 schemes. 6 man boxes using 5 men and zone blocking schemes will usually hold the backside end with the QB. Coach CAmpbell

JC I agree our QB's will never lead plays. If in passing situations play action, etc. we will use play action to hinge uncovered look back. The QB when using zone blocking schemes that pulls the offensive line playside and cuts backside EMLOS loose then hold him with boot action by the QB. Coach CAmpbell