4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds

6D Member Posts: 75	4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds May 11, 2005 5:22:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by 6D on May 11, 2005 5:22:23 GMT Anybody, straight reading guards from a 4-2-5 or 4-4. I would like to discuss in detail your reads and thoughts. I would like to talk vs. wing t mainly. We can discuss on this board or through email. Thanks.

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4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds May 11, 2005 9:32:30 GMT

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Post by DGS on May 11, 2005 9:32:30 GMT

We went to reading through the guards to near back about 5 years ago. It is initially more difficult but once the players get it down it helps the ILb's find out where the ball is going so much easier. The biggest thing we look for are high hat (pass) low hat (run) and pulls for direction flow.

6D Member Posts: 75	4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds May 11, 2005 9:41:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by 6D on May 11, 2005 9:41:38 GMT DGS, Coach, What are those reads?

TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds May 11, 2005 9:59:25 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on May 11, 2005 9:59:25 GMT 6D, Have run a 4-2-5 for going on 20 years now, email me at: jerryeaston1@aol.com or coacheaston@hotmail.com or call me as it will save a lot of typing and we can discuss it first hand at: 864-958-5945 Coach Easton
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4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds May 11, 2005 10:51:17 GMT

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Post by DGS on May 11, 2005 10:51:17 GMT

The backers will read through the offensive guards to
near back.
They will look for 3 actions from the offensive guard:
1.) High Hat (pass)
2.) Low Hat (run)
3.) Pull
High Hat and Pull calls for automatic responses.
Low Hat signals a standard run.

The near back will give directional flow for the Backers.
Flow to: Gap responsibility to pursuit
Flow away: Midline to pursuit

High Hat from Guard
Perform pass responsibiltiy

Outside pull- mirror guard and attack upfield
Inside pull- check midline to pursuit

Magneto Junior Member Posts: 1	4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Jun 7, 2005 13:11:56 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Magneto on Jun 7, 2005 13:11:56 GMT Just remember to teach the linebackers to see the difference between a pull for a counter and sweep vs the trap.
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4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Aug 3, 2005 9:07:59 GMT

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Post by tate5 on Aug 3, 2005 9:07:59 GMT

My question is what do teach the inside linebacker when the near back is coming at him & the guard is trying to reach the 3 tech? If the linebacker attacks the at read or checks his gap & the play is an option now the linebacker won't be able to get to his optioin responsibility because he'll be an easy target for the tackle.

I should have prefaced this by saying I'm talking about a spread option type of look. Any thoughts?

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4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Aug 3, 2005 13:49:26 GMT

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Post by coach LO on Aug 3, 2005 13:49:26 GMT

LB runs to daylight.If guard is trying to block 3-tech and FB is diving right at the LB,we tell the LB to fill in the daylight.Don't tackle the FB if the DT is tackling the FB.Don't run to QB if no one is playing the dive.Replace the Defensive tackle.This is how we teach it.We don't and have never assigned Defensive linemen to dive,DE's to QB,LB's dive to QB to pitch.With the option able to attack the center,guard,tackle,and Tight End holes with the FB,QB and pitch back,how do you assign defenders until the defense knows where the dive will be run.
Only tackle dive if it is in your face.That is what we tell our D-linemen.LB's run to daylight.

HosHos Senior Member Posts: 208	4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Aug 31, 2005 9:05:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by HosHos on Aug 31, 2005 9:05:53 GMT WE DO NOT READ GUARDS IN OUR 44 WE READ THE FLOW OF THE RB. OUR DT'S WILL READ THE GUARDS AND FOLLOW THEM. THIS HAS WORKED OUT GREAT FOR US.

HosHos Senior Member Posts: 208	4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Aug 31, 2005 9:05:54 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by HosHos on Aug 31, 2005 9:05:54 GMT WE DO NOT READ GUARDS IN OUR 44 WE READ THE FLOW OF THE RB. OUR DT'S WILL READ THE GUARDS AND FOLLOW THEM. THIS HAS WORKED OUT GREAT FOR US.

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4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Oct 23, 2005 20:20:45 GMT

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Post by Coach Nicholson on Oct 23, 2005 20:20:45 GMT

I see problems with both straight reading guards and reading flow of the backfield.

Reading guards can become extremely difficult on base running plays where the guard is either trying to hook or reach the defensive tackle. If the OG doesnt execute good steps then it will be tough for a LB to make a read based on the guards steps.

Reading backfield flow obviously leaves you open to get burnt on counter/misdirection plays if your LB's flow hard over the top.

What do you guys do to help your ILB's with these problems?

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Eugene Junior Member Posts: 5	4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Mar 9, 2007 8:48:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Eugene on Mar 9, 2007 8:48:46 GMT I think its difficult reading that guard when he's covered in a 4-3 or 44(4-2). However, I heard Coach Vanderlinden from Penn State say he reads guards in his 4-3 but couldnt get to him after his talk for specifics.

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4-4/4-2-5--LB reading gds Mar 9, 2007 11:07:45 GMT

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Post by Oneback on Mar 9, 2007 11:07:45 GMT

When Jim Bates was DC at Florida under Spurrier (early 90's) - they played the BEST 4-4 I ever saw (Bates went on to be HFC of the Dolphins). We copied their 4-4, & here are the ILB reads:

KEY: Near Back for initial steps - find ball and remaining back (I-Formation key both).

UNDER KEY: Offensive Linemen (know what blocking scheme they are attacking with).

I do not like my PRIMARY key to be a COVERED O-LINEMAN. You get too many false keys! Base blocking, 3 step pass pro, & even (SOME teams) 5 step pass pros can LOOK ALIKE. Once a charging DT engages the OG - ALL reads become "cloudied"! If I use an O-Lineman as PRIMARY - I want him to be uncovered!

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Post by 6D on May 11, 2005 5:22:23 GMT

Post by DGS on May 11, 2005 9:32:30 GMT

Post by 6D on May 11, 2005 9:41:38 GMT

Post by TIGER ONE on May 11, 2005 9:59:25 GMT

Post by DGS on May 11, 2005 10:51:17 GMT

Post by Magneto on Jun 7, 2005 13:11:56 GMT

Post by tate5 on Aug 3, 2005 9:07:59 GMT

Post by coach LO on Aug 3, 2005 13:49:26 GMT

Post by HosHos on Aug 31, 2005 9:05:53 GMT

Post by HosHos on Aug 31, 2005 9:05:54 GMT

Post by Coach Nicholson on Oct 23, 2005 20:20:45 GMT

Post by Eugene on Mar 9, 2007 8:48:46 GMT

Post by Oneback on Mar 9, 2007 11:07:45 GMT

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