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BROPHY
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iNTERESTING THOUGHT May 13, 2005 11:38:09 GMT

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Post by BROPHY on May 13, 2005 11:38:09 GMT

we held our pre registration for Summer Youth Football last night for our 5th & 6th graders the other night and a youth coach (rookie) mentioned that what the youth football needed was more exposure and he had the plan!

He said we should hold an NFL-style combine and test the players out w/ V.jump / reach / agility / 40 time / etc......when we sign them up.

I was quick with a response (shooting down his idea) by saying it's not about the "athleticism" at this age, it's about the girls & guys getting out and having FUN. ANY kid can 'dominate' in the youth league, so long as he's either BIG or FASTER than the others - which isn't the point of them coming out. I remember when I played ball and trying out for some pro teams...the "combine tests" were the LEAST fun and were the most self-conscience thing we did.....which placing a 'doubt' in the kids mind would be the last thing we'd want to do, IMO....

Any ideas, fellas?

breddick
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iNTERESTING THOUGHT May 13, 2005 12:32:50 GMT

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Post by breddick on May 13, 2005 12:32:50 GMT

It sounds to me that you want the kids to be scared of competition. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong but that's what I'm getting. To me they'd better get use to it because in jr. high they'll be doing it at most schools. And I don't know how competitive this league is, but you said you want them to have fun. I agree 100%, but in our league if we just played to have fun we'd lose 50-0 every week.

CYFL Coach
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iNTERESTING THOUGHT May 13, 2005 13:15:36 GMT

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Post by CYFL Coach on May 13, 2005 13:15:36 GMT

We hold a player evaluation combine for our two oldest levels of play in order to assist coaches in making draft selections as fair as possible. Provided your draft system is set up to be as fair as possible, it is the best way to balance competitiveness across teams in a league in my opinion. It is a much better system than our previous one which assigned kids to teams on a random basis. It is important to remind the kids and their parents that the combine is not a tryout, it is simply a tool for coaches to use in evaluating players and formulating their draft plans. In my experience, you don't have to win all the time in order for kids to have fun playing football but its a lot easier to do if your team is competitive with others in your league. Noone enjoys getting their tails kicked week in and week out! My personal philosophy is that the kids should be taught there's nothing wrong with wanting to win, it's something we should strive to do in everything we do to prepare and play the game the way it was meant to be played. Kids must also be made to realize that there are much more important things in life than winning a football game, and that even though we want to win them all, it's not going to happen and that's okay. Competition is part of life and it's part of football - it just has to be kept in perspective by all involved. Just my thoughts on the subject of course!

Dave Hartman
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calande
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iNTERESTING THOUGHT May 16, 2005 9:58:13 GMT

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Post by calande on May 16, 2005 9:58:13 GMT

much better to evaluate athleticism by doing things like playing a game...on the youth forum, the big thing is something called "deer hunter"...and the kids like a form of ultimate frisbee (but using a football)...thats a good one. play, let em have fun....sit and watch, you can really evaluate that way.

BROPHY
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iNTERESTING THOUGHT May 16, 2005 10:27:49 GMT

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Post by BROPHY on May 16, 2005 10:27:49 GMT

good thoughts here.....
I guess I come from the 'other side' of the tracks in this school of thought.
While I agree, creating equally talented teams (that would only make sense), but if I or anyone else has the State's Best 11 year old Football Team....

WHO CARES?!

It's 6th grade football...HOW good can these guys be, let along WHAT will it matter? If these kids are 'stud' football players without ever hitting the weights / training through puberty....WHY would it matter?

I know a lot of kids in soccer / hockey / basketball / baseball that are in a cult-like atmosphere inducing pressure packed off-seasons and break-neck schedules....and I have to wonder, is this "FOR" the kids or just an ego-trip for the parents / adults?

Winning is important and the desired result in competition no matter what you do....I just fail to see the significance of drain the fun out of a game for kids.

TIGER ONE
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iNTERESTING THOUGHT May 16, 2005 10:29:57 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on May 16, 2005 10:29:57 GMT

Dave,

Your thoughts on your youth forum here, as always, are excellent. Competition is fun! Individual assessment is absolutely necessary, imo, as the youngster must start to be made cognizant of the system and aware of the demands that he will be asked to perform under for years to come. I think the standard 4 station pro testing has been utilized for several years now at all levels with modified parameters of judging performance, and is an excellent yard stick by which to measure athleticism, strength and quickness, as well as, speed and agility. I have no ill feelings about testing the little guys and feel that they would probably, for the most part, enjoy the competition as to see how they stack up against their buddies. BY ALL MEANS, IMO, AT THE YOUTH LEVEL IT HAS TO BE FUN AND NOT DRUDGERY. HOWEVER, ATHLETICS IN GENERAL, NOT JUST FOOTBALL IS ALL ABOUT COMPETEING AND THE THE BIGGER THE HEAD START THE KIDS GET IS NOTHING MORE THAN A REAL PLUS FOR THEM. I started my son when he was 8 and a skinny little guy who applied himself, was blessed with talent and a great work ethic from day one. He went on to an exciting HS career, College Career (played at Clemson) and pro career as a QB/Receiver/DB. Now, he is raising his son the same way and his boy at age 7 shows real speed and promise. My son grew into a man at 6'2 210 lbs and his son is going to be taller. Maybe I'll get a 6'5 QB out of my genes yet! HaHa

Coach Easton

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Post by BROPHY on May 13, 2005 11:38:09 GMT

Post by breddick on May 13, 2005 12:32:50 GMT

Post by CYFL Coach on May 13, 2005 13:15:36 GMT

Post by calande on May 16, 2005 9:58:13 GMT

Post by BROPHY on May 16, 2005 10:27:49 GMT

Post by TIGER ONE on May 16, 2005 10:29:57 GMT

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