Stopping Bull Rush

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Stopping Bull Rush May 16, 2005 21:48:25 GMT

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Sorry hit the wrong button on my keyboard and everything disappered. Coach Campbell what do you teach undersized lineman to do when the defensive man over them bull rushes. We usually do not have the big guys who can stand up to guys that outweigh us by 30lbs or more. Looking for an edge. Thanks ahead of time and go Wildcats!!!

Coach Campbell Forum Owners Welcome to JCFB.com website and Forum Posts: 7,876	Stopping Bull Rush May 17, 2005 3:50:58 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Coach Campbell on May 17, 2005 3:50:58 GMT Shark how much sprint out do you use. Coach CAmpbell

TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	Stopping Bull Rush May 17, 2005 5:54:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on May 17, 2005 5:54:43 GMT Shark, Cut him! Coach Easton
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Stopping Bull Rush May 17, 2005 9:18:59 GMT

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Post by shark on May 17, 2005 9:18:59 GMT

We use it 30 percent. WE normally use it alot but I have a 6'4 QB who is not as fleet of foot as I would like. So we are dropping back more than I prefer to. We haven't done a lot of Bob blocking in the past and last year we had some problems protecting the QB. I like Coach's idea of cutting; don't know that I could make a living off of that so just looking for different ideas.

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Stopping Bull Rush May 17, 2005 9:33:33 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on May 17, 2005 9:33:33 GMT

Double teams (zone principles) BOB is another viable option to really look at. The option was invented for the very same reason, where a smaller 0 line could not compete one on one with the bigger DLM but with double teams putting two on one, they could.

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CYFL Coach Senior Member Posts: 568	Stopping Bull Rush May 17, 2005 17:44:01 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by CYFL Coach on May 17, 2005 17:44:01 GMT Hop, Hop and CHOP 'em coach...
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Stopping Bull Rush May 18, 2005 8:45:12 GMT

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Post by pnd69 on May 18, 2005 8:45:12 GMT

Usualy players that bull rush a lot can't do almost anything elese so i teach to my guys: once they release in the proper pass protection stance to attac their opponent to deny them the chance to gain enogh speed.
If this solution doesn't work we try to zone them and finally we cut them.
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TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	Stopping Bull Rush May 18, 2005 8:55:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on May 18, 2005 8:55:45 GMT pnd69, Why not just cut them from the git go? Coach Easton
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Stopping Bull Rush May 18, 2005 9:01:47 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on May 18, 2005 9:01:47 GMT

Dave,

Are you using "CHOP" as a synonym for CUT? The reason I ask is that I know you don't chop block anybody, a good way to seriously injure a player and is illegal. As the youth leader on the board, I know you would not convey that message to anybody intentionally.

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Coach Campbell Forum Owners Welcome to JCFB.com website and Forum Posts: 7,876	Stopping Bull Rush May 18, 2005 10:33:16 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Coach Campbell on May 18, 2005 10:33:16 GMT The Hop, Hop and Chop that CYFL is talking about is whenever an offensive lineman starts to get bull rushed and can't stop the defenders charge is to drop and cut as last result to keep the depth of the pocket. Coach Campbell

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Stopping Bull Rush May 19, 2005 0:16:45 GMT

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Post by pnd69 on May 19, 2005 0:16:45 GMT

tiger,
I don't cut them because i want to use a double hands tecnique as much i can. I want that my OL are able to decide wich is the most dangerous opponent between the DL and the blitzing LB and than be able to switch the target. 'couse i belive that is much easyer for a RB to secure a bumped DL then a full speed LB.
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Coach Campbell Forum Owners Welcome to JCFB.com website and Forum Posts: 7,876	Stopping Bull Rush May 19, 2005 3:50:40 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Coach Campbell on May 19, 2005 3:50:40 GMT The only time you would consider cutting is if you are losing your defender and its the last resort. Coach CAmpbell

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Stopping Bull Rush May 19, 2005 4:32:18 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on May 19, 2005 4:32:18 GMT

Hey Coach,

Why do you say that? Everybody lists it as a last resort to be counted on so they obviously know it works.
My thinking has always been why not go with what you know works first, not last? Your not going to lose him if you cut him, imo. Thanks for your response to CYFL's terminology question. Wonder why they don't say HOP HOP CUT, instead of chop?

JC
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TIGER ONE Senior Member Posts: 6,423	Stopping Bull Rush May 19, 2005 4:55:22 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by TIGER ONE on May 19, 2005 4:55:22 GMT PANDO, Thanks for your reasoning, sounds good to me, go with what you know. Coach Easton
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Stopping Bull Rush May 19, 2005 9:16:46 GMT

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Post by chormann on May 19, 2005 9:16:46 GMT

Tiger,

Hop, Hop & Chop rhymes and is easy to remember. That is why.
The reason it is used as a last resort is that D-Lineman are taught to play off the cut-block. I don't think that you want it to be your primary blocking technique, because at that point it becomes predictable and thus defendable (by the Defense).

Also, an athletic defender can easily defend the cut block, especially if they know it is coming. By hoping, you are trying to regain the advantage. By hoping again (if you do not gain the advantage), the defender is invited upfeild and is unknowingly setting himself up to be cut.

Just my opinion.

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Stopping Bull Rush May 19, 2005 11:23:35 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on May 19, 2005 11:23:35 GMT

Hey Coach,

Thanks for the answer to my question, appreciate it. Been a head coach for a lot of years now, ( in my 41st year of coaching) and am very cognizant of the fact that DLM's play off the cut. Your reasoning is very sound and probably better than mine. However, my reasoning is that a big man is usually slower than the smaller guy and if you cut him RIGHT NOW, HE IS NO LONGER A THREAT. Very true a good athlete can fend off the cut, but the smaller guy is doing his job BY TYING UP PRECIOUS TIME IN MAKING THE ATHLETE EMPLOY HIS TECHNIQUES OF EVASION OF A GOOD CUT. Just my way, but we cut them all night long if we can't handle them on a man to man basis. Just my way.

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phantom53 Junior Member Posts: 15	Stopping Bull Rush May 21, 2005 20:15:37 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by phantom53 on May 21, 2005 20:15:37 GMT A technique that we use against the bull rush is to push off and hop back to gain separation, drop the hips, and convert to a drive block. We've found it to be a good tool especially when using a cut block as an alternative.

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Stopping Bull Rush May 23, 2005 7:52:22 GMT

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Post by chormann on May 23, 2005 7:52:22 GMT

Tiger One,

You are the man on this board. I really appreciate and enjoy the knowledge you have shared with me and the others. In this case I was guilty of not reading the WHOLE question. You are right, it is probably a better strategy for the little (usually quicker guy) to cut the bigger, slower defender.

I love to through my ideas out there and see what the response is. I believe that once a coach is set in his ways, someone will beat him. This board is a great, (the best I have seen so far) for expanding knowledge and strategies. Again thanks.

Clinton Hormann

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Stopping Bull Rush May 23, 2005 12:04:07 GMT

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Post by joboo59 on May 23, 2005 12:04:07 GMT

phantom53 is on to the technique that I try to teach and what I was taught. If an Olineman feels himself being overpowered I tell them to reach back with their feet so a point where their lower leg is at a 45 degree angle, bench press and drop their hips then chop their feet like mad. This tech. creates a very low center of gravity with force behind it. When the hips drop the OLineman's lower body should all be at a 45 and his back should have a slight arch. If for some reason this technique fails the OL is in good position to tuck his head between the DL's knees and execute the cut.

Do what you do!

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