outside veer vs load option

We are starting to tinker with running Outside veer a hole wider if we get a 7-tech also.We need to back up the FB a little when we do this and read the SS for dive/keep.Our WB will block down on LB.Anyone else trying this vs a 7-tech?

Coaches,
When we have IV called, and there is an inside shade of the PST, the QB calls "solid", and it is an automatic pull with the dive back blocking the inside shaded defender. Would load option then be OV with a "solid" call? Thanks for your input.

What your saying is basically correct, coach P, but I would much rather see your QB read it in the conventional manner than yell "solid" as that makes the D know where the ball will be headed. Plus if the TE blocks down on the 7 you can run the LEAD LOAD with the FB on the defender who is outside of DE and pitch off the SS/CB or you can just predetermine that QB keeps and runs off block of FB with RB cutting up and maintaining pitch relationship for possible downfield pitch from your QB.

Coach Easton

kc361,

Just curious as to why you would want to go with 3' splits on an OSV? To my thinking you want to get the play on the perimeter ASAP and a foot wider split than normal with most teams that run the OSV seems to be counter productive to that thinking. Would it not be more expedient to coach your FB to run to the proper landmark, than to run FARTHER? ALSO, JUST A SUGGESTION NOW AND CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU HOW TO RUN YOUR PROGRAM, you may try telling your QB that he does not want to come down the line PARALLEL AS ANY PENETRATION WILL BUBBLE HIS PATH AND ALLOW THE READ TO GIVE HIM THE NEMESIS OF ALL OPTION QB'S, THE DREADED FUZZY LOOK. The closer the QB is to his read man, the easier the read becomes. Any team that runs the ISV/OSV triple should be coached that the O line must surge on the snap of the ball and the QB must attack his read in a DOWNHILL POSTURE, NOT A PARALLEL ONE, even on the OSV that requires the extra step to reach the hole. If you "point" the ball instead of utilize the "ride and decide" cumbersome method, this downhill attack mode of your QB is much more readily facilitated. I speak from experience having coached a team that went 33-3 for one period while running the triple out of the bone and pro with the "I" backs in Florida 4-AAAA High School football which was the top classification in the state at that time. I do not teach opening at 4 o clock, but rather taking a deep escape step and gathering and driving downhill at your read man. Sound a bit different to you? I have coached at the professional minor league level now for this season being 11 years, and even though you don't see the option much at our level, we scored on the ISV from about 7 yds. out for our third TD of the night last Saturday night in our preseason opener using the techniques just described. Someday when you have a little spare time, try it and see what you think of the technique. Just a suggestion as always.

Coach Easton

Coach, didn't take your post as you thought your way was best at all, just took it as you were stating what you believe in and know best. Your absolutely right, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! I really was totally impressed with the point method after being an ex-QB and knowing nothing but the ride and decide. I became acquainted with it some 18-19 years ago now at Carson Newman while coaching HS football in Florida and our stafff went up to see their program. I have never looked back from that point on, as it has proved it'self to me a thousand fold. Answering my question with a question- wouldn't his path get bubbled no matter how you get to the mesh? My answer is -not really because the QB can get there much QUICKER without having to reach back and ride the dive back in the conventional method. If he does get bubbled, it is MUCH EASIER TO RECOVER AND GET BACK ON TRACK BY HIMSELF NOT HAVING TO BE CONCERNED WITH ANY RIDING TECHNIQUE THAT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED BEFORE HE GETS TO THE HOLE. Not angry here, caps just for emphasis. Ha HA As for my response to your last sentence that it appears we are both getting the same results with different footwork, we really aren't. When I say "deep escape step, I mean stepping back at full 6 o clock and gathering front foot to back and driving downhill at your first read with your feet pointing directly at him, in order to get in behind surging OLM's. If you step at 4 o clock and then next 3 steps are at 3 o'clock that indicates to me a PARALLEL trip down the LOS, not a DOWNHILL surge by the QB. See the difference? Have enjoyed comparing notes and thanks for your input.

Coach Easton

What is the point method that you're speaking of instead of ride and decide? Thanks.