Veer blocking schemes

When first starting out,block it one way.Double team at the point of attack.

Coach BPOLSON,

Another very important tip that I think you may find usefull is to make certain, if you have new HC's coming into your league, make every effort to ascertain what they run on both offense and defense. Don't walk into a buzz saw one Friday night because you failed to get the necessary info against a team that has a new head coach!

Coach Easton

Coach Easton,

So you don't rule out your veer blocking? What I am donig right now is saying on veer, the tackle has a rule of the first LBer over him to the backside. I am trying to put rules into place that will work against any defense. In the past, we have said if you see a 4-4 do this, if a 52 Monster do this. I am trying to make rules that apply to all defenses. Will this work, or am I trying to do something impossible? That is the one thing that I have always liked about the wing-t system is they have rules in place. Is this possible with the veer and midline game?

ALL coaches,

I heard Tony Annese form Muskegon speak at the Glazier Clinic recently. He talked about having his QB bubble off the mesh to get outside quicker. Is this a mistake to try?

He also talked about when facing a 3 tech, he has the guard drive him out. The PST still goes to LBer and the FB will cut off the guards block. Does anyone else do this? Thanks for any help!

Coach O

Inside Veer reads a 5 to a 4 tech. If the tackle is allowed to get inside then the blocking scheme always rotates backside if using a zone scheme. Coach CAmpbell

When we run inside veer the blocking is usually decided by the defensive alignments. Our rules are either "down, down" or "cut, crab, combo." What these mean to us are pretty simple. For instance, we usually like to run Inside veer when the guard is uncovered, since there is a natural running lane available. If the guard is uncovered, such as in a 50 front then the blocking will be "down, down." This means the guard will block "down" vs the nose and the tackle will escape step away from the defensive tackle covering him and block "down" on the Middle linebacker (first linebacker inside). This is an example of "down, down" blocking which just means both the guard and tackle block down. We feel like this is the easiest of the veer blocking scenarios.
Sometimes the guard is covered and we still want to run veer. It can be almost as easy or more difficult determined by where the Defensive tackle is located. When the guard is covered we now use "cut, crab, combo" technique. This means were are playing vs a defender playing over the guard in either a 2i, 2 (head up) or 3 technique. If the guard faces either a 2i or 2 tech we will use a combo technique. This means the guard will man block the man on him, trying to take him down...to the inside. We feel our guard should be able to do this, because he has an angle. We feel straight back or inside is good for inside veer. The tackle will combo with the guard to the inside LB. The tackle's job is to make sure the guard has secured his block by escape stepping inside and trying to get "butt to butt" with the guard. This forms a wall of offensive blockers. THis is a nice sight for the ball carrier!! The tackle will then slide up to the LB. This is an example of a "combo" block, usually used us a 2 or 2i defensive tackle. Vs the 2 or 2i we don't worry too much about blocking.
The last example is vs the 3 technique, which is the hardest block to execute. In this case we would use the "cut, crab AND combo" technique. Our guard would execute a CUT block. What this is for us is for the guard to try to get to the 3 technique's outside knee. He will do this by diving out directly toward the knee of the Defensive tackle. That is the cut part of it. Then he would "crab" the defender, which as the term implies, means from almost an all fours position work your body into the defenders and eventually "roll up" the defenders body. So in essence the guard will dive out and from an all fours (2 arms and 2 legs on the ground) push against the defender and then spin his body into the body of the 3 tech. Sounds crazy. We got it from Carson-Newman, kings of the inside veer. Trust me, no 3 tech wants a pesky guard diving into his outside knee and pushing against it and then rolling up towards his crotch. The tackle can help here too with the combo part. His job is to get movement on the 3 and then get to the LB.
To be honest we DO NOT like to run outside veer vs a 3 tech, especially a good one. If we see a 3 we audible to Midline and option him. One reason is the 3 is usually the biggest defender, so he's hard to move, and secondly we think the Midline is an easier read for the QB anyway. A lot of times making the 3 wrong is easier than moving him!!! Just our way. Hope it helped. History 10

Thanks for all of the help coaches. I want to try and make this transition as smooth as possible. Unfortunately for us Coach Easton, we do not have spring or summer ball. We do get a short team camp this summer for three days, so it will be a crash course for us. We have run midline a lot so we are going to really focus our attention on inside veer and on our rocket sweep.

Coach O

Coaches,
I'm a young O-line coach just moving to a new team that is transitioning to more/all option. I've been reading the boards to learn as much as possible. Like Coach BPOLSON said, thanks for the help with blocking rules but I'd like to add this question.

My HC just gave me the season on tape. 4 teams play us in the 4-4. Our base is the double slot. Those 4 teams gave us a double 2 technique look. For IV, would you scoop the C & PSG on the 2-tech to the Back side ILB and the PST takes the Front side ILB. Does the PSSlot block the extra LB/SS? If so then who is the PK? The DE is the HOK, do you block the PK?

Thanks

Coach Allore

I've heard from alot of coaches that the C should step playside to help the PSG to ensure you win that match-up. Do you ever use a double team or a combo there or do you always let the PSG base up by himself?

Just saw a tape where the team runs a loop technique on ISV. Vs a 50, PS OT will loop outside and either...
1. Block the DT if he goes with the OT
2. Loop and get cut off the LB's path to the QB.
PS OG will step play side and block the PS ILB on the dive track.

C and BS OG will Combo / Scoop the nose and BS ILB.

PS TE / Slot arcs.

What do you guys think of this? I am worried about not getting the nose cut off and / or not getting to the BS ILB. If you can take care of this, the front side is dominated.

Since the ISV is our best / most often used option, I am thinking about having both this scheme and the traditional scheme if possible. I am not sure which one to make OUR base scheme.

VS a 4-4...
PS G blocks the DT with help from the C if needed. PS OT veer releases down on the PS ILB. PS slot / TE will block the invert with an arc release.
BS OG and BS OT will scoop and take care of the BS DT and BS ILB. I THINK THIS AGAIN IS THE KEY BLOCK.

Hisotry 10,

When you get a 3 tech, do you check to midline triple, or just the midline double option?

Thanks for sharing that. That all makes sense. I like the idea of a triple team, but I am a little worried about having a LB run through / underneat the triple team.
We will be facing a shade defense this year with an outstanding middle LB. If we are double tight, they will be 1, 5, 9 to one side with a 30 LB and 3, 7/6, 90 (SS walked off a step or two) with the stud in a 10. Running ISV to the 1 tech is the norm, but it isn't likely we will be able to double the one and still block the Stud. Midline looks better to the 3 tech, but what about OSV? Which way should we run this? I think toward the 1 tech normally so we can take advantage of a pinching 5 tech (taking away ISV). The issue for me is that they might not need the DT to worry about ISV dive since the Mike could be eating it up, AND they could also have the 30 LB scraping to C gap quickly (taking QB on ISV and FB on OSV) for the same reasons. I think we will be fine in the end, but I want to be prepared for worst case scenario.
Running OSV to the 3 tech side might look better vs this defense... double the 3 with OT and OG, send C to Mike (10) and possible even send the TE down on Mike as well vs a 6 or just block down if we have a 7. The 7 would be a give read since the SS would now be the dive read, and the 6 would probably mean a pull.
Uugghhh... too many what if's. Does this make sense? Maybe I should just ask how you'd run the ISV and OSV vs this defense.

I like the idea of reading the PS LB and basing the DT, and we are also going to run midline vs a 50 this year. With a good FB it could be deadly.

makes sense. Thanks.

How about ISV vs a 5-3?
PS TE takes easiest path to OLB OR base the DE out and QB pitches off PS OLB
PS OT veer release to Mike
PS OG and C double
BS OG to BS LB
BS OT playside gap

We would try to remove an OLB by formation, but that doesn't always happen.