Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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We just started installing the veer with the ride and decide. I have some questions.
Should the QB stomach the ball on the snap or go straight to the reach back?
Also, on a pull how long is the ball in the stomach of the FB? Is there a reference point for the FB to know when he can take the ball?
We are getting fairly stilled at the Inside veer. We would also like to add midline and Outside veer. Which one should be installed next for teaching progression's sake.
THanks
Post by Coach Campbell on May 24, 2006 19:21:00 GMT
Midline is the easest of the options to install. We bring the football up and through the third hand of the QB as he reaches and extends the ball to the Fullback on inside veer. Coach Campbell
Why would you go with the ride and decide when the POINT TECHNQUE is so much EASIER and BETTER, GREATLY REDUCES FUMBLES, AND YOUR QB IS ALWAYS IN A NATURAL, COMFORTABLE POSITION ALWAYS LOOKING RIGHT AT HIS READ INSTEAD OF HAVING HIS HEAD ONE WAY AND HIS HANDS AND ARMS REACHING ACROSS AND BACKWARD SA IS THE RIDE AND DECIDE? Just curious as to your thinking?
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Added thought about your question as to how the Dive Back knows if he is to get the ball or have it pulled.
In the POINT METHOD, there is no guess work of any kind. IF THE BALL IS STILL POINTED AT THE READ MAN BY THE QB AT THE POINT OF THE MESH, THE FB KNOWS IT IS HIS! HE NEVER REACHES FOR IT, HE JUST SIMPLY DRIVES THROUGH THE MESH AS HE CLOSES HIS CRADLE ON THE BALL AND RUNS HIS PATH.
IF IT IS TO BE A PULL, THE QB WILL PULL JUST AS THE MESH IS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE AND THE DIVE BACK JUST CONTINUES HIS PATH AND BLOCKS! THERE IS NO GUESS WORK INVOLVED BECAUSE THE QB WILL NOT HAVE THE BALL POINTED AT THE INSTANT OF THE MESH, AND WILL BE GONE ON TO HIS NEXT READ. AS HE NEVER REACHES FOR THE FOOTBALL, THE FB OR DIVE BACK NEVER TOUCHES THE BALL IF IT IS NOT HIS TO GET! THIS IS THE SINGLE ASPECT THAT GREATLY REDUCES THE FUMBLE FACTOR!
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I guess I just like the deception of the ride and decide. It seems to be a proven way at the HS level. Also, I have Jerry's installing the option tape and that has been my main reference on teaching the mesh. I like to have something I can keep going back to. I could change my mind I suppose, but I need some more convincing. Our #1 QB has been able to read quickly enough that sometimes there isn't really a great mesh, so I suppose that suggests we could do the point. We are runnning the Midline, inside and outside veers as our options from the I.
I know this may be a bit off topic, but remember the old triple option that nebraska used to run, and the announcers would just marvel at gill's/frazier's abitlity to read give, keep, and pitch???
there was no triple option. it was always called dive, or option. but, boy they sure used to be able to sell it was triple.
To each his own CUI, hope you do well with it.
DC29- Those guys could flat run the option all right! Tommy Frazier was a Florida boy and a lot of us HS coaches ran the option in those days in Florida. That medical problem where he started having blood clots cut short a brilliant players career.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Post by Coach Nicholson on May 26, 2006 11:34:31 GMT
I was so sold for the longest time on ride and decide but after listening to Coach Easton's preachings on the Point technique I have realized that the Point is far superior to the ride/decide method.
Tiger One:
On your "point method", as I'm trying to follow the above post of yours regarding the QB having the ball towards the FB/Dive back, etc. Are the QB's eyes on the read man (example the 3 tech. on the midline option)? And simply if the QB reads the 3 tech coming upfield he just keeps the ball extended for the FB/Dive back to receive? And conversely, pulls the ball away before mesh point if he reads 3 tech slanting down?
I am unfamiliar with this method and I look forward to your response. Thanks!
tm
Post by Coach Campbell on May 27, 2006 8:30:33 GMT
On the mesh and this is getting interesting Coach Easton as we are a full blown gun option team that uses a mesh, ride and read option from under the center with inside veer, midline that meshes the football with the fullback. Coach Campbell
TM: The answer to your question is YES. That is all there is to it, period. When reading a close read man (3 tech for Midline for example, or a 4i-4-5 tech on the inside veer) I simply have my QB take a deep escape step, gather his front foot to his back on rhythm and drive downhill, NOT PARALLEL, at his read with the ball extended and pointed at the read. If it is still there at the mesh, the FB/Dive back simply closes down on it and runs his path. If it is pulled at the last instant, the FB/diveback never touches the ball
but drives through hole as if he has the ball and then blocks while the QB has vacated and is on his way to his next read. Now, if he is running an outside veer, the QB will still gather and drive down hill at his read,
but will carry the ball with two pressure points directly in front of his chest at a distance of 6" or so and will gently rock the ball from side to side keeping it within the framework of his chest, NOTHING EXAGERATED WITH A BIG SWING MOVEMENT OF THE BALL. As he approaches within one step of the read, he then extends his arms directly at the read in the same fashion as always. I TEACH IF IT IS TO BE A GIVE, I LIKE FOR THE QB TO ACTUALLY STEP RIGHT UP IN THE HOLE AND HAVE THE FB/DIVE BACK MESH TAKE PLACE ACTUALLY IN THE HOLE. IF HE IS GOING TO PULL IT, HE WILL PULL IT AT THE LIP OF THE HOLE AS THE FB/DIVE BACK DRIVES THROUGH THE HOLE, ONLY FAKING TO TAKE IT, BUT NEVER REALLY EVEN TOUCHING IT!!! My only reason for all the extensive posting I have done on this forum over the past 2 years on this topic, is to share with you a technique that is superior in every way to the ride and decide, IN MY OPINION. As I have posted many times, as an Ex-QB who came up under the ride and decide, the point method is just so much more COMFORTABLE AND PRACTICAL AND NATURAL, here again IN MY OPINION. But, it is much harder to teach a HS level QB to keep his head FORWARD on his read man while extending his arms ACROSS HIS BODY AND BACKWARD TO ATTAIN THE MESH, than it is to keep his body parts all moving in the same direction AND NOT HAVING TO HAVE TWO PLAYERS TOUCHING THE FOOTBALL AT THE SAME TIME. I am not out to convert anyone, just asking you to try a technique that REALLY DOES WORK AND WILL GREATLY REDUCE FUMBLES FOR YOUR TEAM.
I teach ALWAYS HAVE THE QB COME DIRECTLY DOWN HILL AT HIS READ MAN, RATHER THAN COMING PARALLEL TO THE LOS FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON: If a QB's path gets bubbled by penetration and he is coming down the LOS parallel, he automatically will step backward to avoid the penetration 9 out of 10 times. When he does this, he is forced AWAY from his read and must recover and get back on his original path. When he is forced back away from his read man, this allows the read to present your QB with that nemisis of all option QB's, THE FUZZY READ. THE FUZZY READ IS WHAT FORCES MORE BAD DECISIONS BY YOUR QB THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE OPTION GAME, HERE AGAIN IN MY OPINION. If you will train him to drive down hill behind the surging Ofensive Line directly at his read, you will be pleased with the results, I sincerely do believe.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Glad as always to have the chance to state my opinion to knowledgeable coaches. Coach Campbell, have you ever tried the point technique? What is your assesment of it? If you have tried it, obviously it did not impress you enough to change. What was it you did not like about it. Some coaches think they lose the ball disguise by utilizing the point when in actuality what they lose is the fumble factor, as I like to call it, when two players have their hands on the ball simultaneously. Really would enjoy hearing your knowledgeable view on this topic, coach.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Post by Coach Campbell on May 28, 2006 11:16:26 GMT
Coach Easton it isn't that it did not impress me, as you know, you coach what works for you and what you feel comfortable with and for our football program and the option game I have been teaching for numerous years now and continue to do so in my football program here happens to be what I believe in. You know the old saying if it isn't broke don't change it. I would love to see some of your video cut-ups on this if you have some. Coach Campbell
Post by Coach Campbell on May 28, 2006 11:37:29 GMT
Coach Easton I don't know how knowledgeable my view is but we do reach the ball back as deep as possible and ride the back through the mesh and create a pocket that the fullback creates with his play side arm up and the outside arm down, (the QB keeps his eyes on the inside number of the read defender at all times) the fullback doesn't actually put his hands on the ball until he gets to the front knee or hip of the QB, this area here is where the QB and fullback learn the mesh and I don't over coach this area because having run the option game now for many years they just work this out with each other. I run Midline, Inside Veer from both under center and from the gun and luv these two plays as illustrated and explanied in my videos that some of our coaches on our web site have viewed. I believe that and express as apart of my program philosophy is that if we have a systematic way to install something with our athletes then we will have a systematic way to correct it and then our athletes have a systematic way in which to learn the play and the desired result. I feel very comfotable and have had much success in running our offense and the technique we teach. I read the majority of posts on the site and take bits and pieces from them all over the years now, I know that through the past four years of having our forums up I have become a better coach for it and that is due to keeping an open mind and understanding that there is always more than one way to skin a cat. I feel the best years of my career lay in front of me after doing this for 35 years now (can't believe It) and with that said I will continue to read and grow professionally from the posts you have put here as well as the 5,000+ other coaches as well. Coach Campbell
I would love to see some cutups of the point method, practice and game. That is one thing I wish there were more of in most videos - breaking down plays and analyzing exactly what happens.
Agree with you 100%. That is why I went with the point almost 20 years ago now, and you stay with your choice, we have to believe in what we coach and go with what we know. I'm trying to get a video made of the technique here locally and one day it will get done. I really don't have any cutups available or you know I would be glad to send them to you. Most of my archives are in storage in Florida and no telling when I will get back down there.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
not looking so much as a mechanics part of the point method, (i think there have been enough coaches on here to show that either way can be very effective) but looking more from the other side of the ball.
do you see opposing ilb's flying faster to where you're pointing? as a lb, i see ride and decide, i think -- dive. if i see point, what am i thinking?
just wondering what your experience with that has been.
GREAT QUESTION AND SHOWS ME YOU HAVE A LB'S MENTALITY FORMED FROM EXPERIENCE.
As a way of explanation, on the ISV and the MIDLINE, it is such a quick hitting play it really doesn't matter much as the point is there for just an instant before the FB takes it, or the QB pulls it and is on the way to his next read. He is not trying to fool anybody.
On the OSV, is where your question is most viable IMO coach, and my answer is this. As your QB follows the line surge, always downhill and never parallel, he has to take that extra step to reach the C gap. AS IT WOULD SLOW HIM DOWN REACHING HIS POINT OF ATTACK BY HAVING HIS ARMS EXTENDED IN THE POINT, he rather just keeps the ball about 6" in front of his numbers and with the two pressure points of both hands on the football at all times, he employs a gentle AND NOT PRONOUNCED rocking of the ball from side to side that does not extend outside of his body framework. As he is one step from the C gap he then fully extends the ball in the point technique. If the QB reads Give, I have him actually step right up in the hole and have the FB close down on it and continue his path. If the QB reads PULL, he then hesitates for a split instant to let the Fb clear and carry out his fake, without entering the hole but getting up field to his next read. The big selling point here, to me coach, is the simple fact that not having to reach back to the dive back, who is now putting his hands on the ball also, while keeping his head on his read, he ALONE HAS HIS HANDS ON THE BALL AND UNLESS IT IS A GIVE, THE DB WILL NEVER TOUCH IT.
tHIS IS A GREAT REDUCER OF FUMBLES, as many coaches who have recently installed the point in the last two years will readily attest to.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Thanks for the education coaches. This forum has been a great place for me as a young coach to really process a ton of info.
A question for Coach Easton (& others too)
As a O-line coach, you say the QB follows the surge DOWNHILL. What if there is no surge? Is a stalemate on a 2-3 tech still a win? I would think most anyone will get a surge with a combo block but one of those "What-ifs" that I'm curious about.
So you're saying with the point method, you're giving up deception for fewer fumbles? To me, deception is a major advantage of the option.
I have a question about the speed of the ride and decide method. I've heard some people say that with the POINT, the FB is coming in faster and that replaces the LB indecision that the RIDE AND DECIDE breeds. Shouldn't the FB be coming in as fast as possible on the RIDE AND DECIDE as well?
Also, for those that implement the RIDE AND DECIDE, suppose the QB knows he is going to pull before the RIDE is initiated, is it ok to pull the ball before the actual mesh, or should I make it a point to always follow through with the ride - even if we know it is going to be a pull?
What I'm saying on the quick hitters is they happen so fast, the point doesn't really give away anything, IMO. Your sold on the established method and thats good, go with it coach. But, I would like to ask you to think about something; What causes you more losses, TURNOVERS or a lack of deception every now and then?
Coach Easton
Chewbakka,
I ran the option for a lot of years, once enjoying a 33-3 won loss run with the triple out of the bone. I feel very confident in telling you, IMO, a stalemate is never good enough in my book. You either have a line that can cause a DOWNHILL SURGE by exploding into their blocks, so that the QB attacks his read in like manner, or you won't win much. If he is forced to come down the LOS parallel, at the first sign of penetration he is automatically backing away from his read, when he needs to be in his reads face quicker than you can say Jack Robinson! The fuzzy read presented by a read man that is far separated form the QB is more responsible for a poor decision by the QB, than any other single factor, here again IMO. If you don't have a line that can move people, I would stay away from the option.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE