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gdub96
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New to the Flexbone Dec 12, 2006 10:29:44 GMT

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Post by gdub96 on Dec 12, 2006 10:29:44 GMT

I will be coaching the flexbone this season to my 9 year old team. I was wondering anyone could help me out with 6 or 7 effective running plays. I need power, misdirection and playaction. I will be running ISV and possibly OSV, I am still depating on the mid-line because I face so many 50 fronts and double eagle looks. I also like the rocket sweep. There is just so many plays I am having a hard time deciding on which plays and the type of blocking scheme need to make this offense work.

Karjaw
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New to the Flexbone Dec 14, 2006 6:19:07 GMT

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Post by Karjaw on Dec 14, 2006 6:19:07 GMT

Coach,
Here is a basic sets of plays:
Rocket
Rocket Ice
Triple
Counter Ice (same blocking as Ice)

Here is how it breaks down:
Outside Run (Rocket)
Inside Run (Rocket Ice)
Option (triple)
Counter (Counter Ice)

Here are the blocking schemes:
Rocket: We use a outside count system, but here is a easy way.
Playside:
T: Reach step and block man over. If he stretches then stretch with him.
G: Pull and up the alley leading the play.
SE: Crack on the 1st 2nd level defender
WB: Arc release and kick out the CB
Backside:
C: Train block: Reach step if man on then block him. If not then Climb to the next level defender.
G: Train block
T: Train Block
SE: Convoy Block

Backfield:
FB: Take two steps the the opposite A gap and block away.
QB: VERY IMPORTANT: You must not snap the ball until the WB is directly behind the FB. How? We teach our QB's to snap it when the WB leaves their peripheral vision. Then take a step with playside foot at 5 O'clock to the right or 7 O'clock to the left, Make sure it is the heel of the foot your are pointnig and not the Front toes. If you do front toes you will fron out and that is not what you want. The QB should reverse out. reverse pivot and pitch
WB: Wing motion Full speed. Aiming point is 1' behind the FB. Once you hit that point it is VERY IMPORTANT that you run directly flat across to the sidleine. THis is a must. You can not arc in either direction, because if you do the play will be slow.
Coaching Point:
If the WB catches the pitch behind the PSG or PST it is too slow and the snap is too soon. THe pitch MUST be caught where the TE would have been. If it is too slow there is 2 reasons why: 1. QB snapped too soon. or 2. The WB arced on his motion.

Rocket Ice:
Playside Line:
T: Gap on Backer
G: Gap on Backer
SE: Stalk
WB: align 3' deeper than normal. Then come inside the Tackles block and ISO A.KA. "ICE" Block the LBER.
BAckside Line:
C/G/T: Fire On Backer. Take a fire step to playside. If there is a man on you block him. If not then Block Linebacker.
Backfield:
WB: Rocket motion like rocket. Fake receiving the pitch and run upfield 10 yds with out the football.
QB: Rocket action and footwork, but at the last second reverse and hand off to the FB
FB: Belly step, Pause and then go taking the ball in the off tackle hole.
SE: Convoy

Counter Ice:
Playside Line:
Same as ICE
SE: Stalk
WB: in Wing motion away from play
Backside LIne:
same as ICe
WB: Take an open step and then receive an inside hand off from the QB and hit up in the opposite side B gap by following the FB
FB: Belly step and then ICE block the LBER
QB: Rocket steps and fake pitch. Then keep on reversing then give inside handoff to the WB .
SE: Convoy

Triple: Find Tony Demeo's Triple option stuff and use his NO mesh stuff.

Play action pass:
Rocket Boot pass
Rocket Switch pass.
Do only these plays and get them taught well and executed perfectly. DO NOT add or change until the kids have this down pat.
Good Luck
Karjaw

We dont lose any games we just run out of time.
Fisher Deberry

gdub96 Junior Member Posts: 4	New to the Flexbone Dec 14, 2006 9:44:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by gdub96 on Dec 14, 2006 9:44:29 GMT Hey coach thanks a lot I really appreciate this. I have one more question. On the two ice plays how would you block a 9 tech? Would you bring in a tight end? Because it seems like he will come unblocked and make the play. Thanks!

chassup Junior Member Posts: 14	New to the Flexbone Dec 14, 2006 12:49:14 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by chassup on Dec 14, 2006 12:49:14 GMT What are "Train Block" and "Convoy Block?" Never heard those terms. Thanks.

Karjaw
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New to the Flexbone Dec 15, 2006 5:28:27 GMT

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Post by Karjaw on Dec 15, 2006 5:28:27 GMT

Train block is when our backside OL takes a 6" sideways step to the playside. We call this a reach step. Then if someone is on them they will block them. If no one on them they will climb to the next level at a 45 degree angle and pick defenders off.
Convoy: is another name for a backside cutoff block

Is this the 9 tech problem?

----------C-----------------$---------------------$-----------------------------------C

--------------------------------W-----M---
-----------------------------E-----T--------T-----E----S

---------X--------------------T---G---C---G---T---------------------------------------Z
---------------------------A-----------Q------------B
---------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------C

In the above situation the sam lber is considered a hot 2 and we would block him with our B back on all rockets and jets. If it is rocket ice then we would again block him with our B back and do not need the lead block then.

or is this the 9 tech

------C------------$-------------------------$-------------------------------C
----------------------------B--------B----
-------------------E---T--------N--------T----E-
--------X--------------T---G---C---G---T-------------------------------------Z
--------------------A-----------Q-----------B
-------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------C----------------------------

If this is the nine then we consider him a hot 2 and we block him with our B for all rockets and jets. On the ice we will block the DE with the B back and the LBer with the Guard. I will tell you if you run rocket successfully the LBer will not there be there anyway. He will be running to the sidelines as quick as he can. The rocket can not be stopped unless the defense cheats. Once they cheat then we know what to do. We know all of their cheats before hand and prepare our players for it. The cheats that they do I will not reveal on this site because that is the key to stopping this offense.

The next question is well coach what if the safety comes down and makes plays?
We have two answers:
1. PLay action pass, just like triple teams do when the safety tries to make plays.
2. We will formational them with these sets:

-------X-----------Z---------------T---G---C---G---T-------
----------------------------------A----------Q-----------B---
---------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------C

Now they have to bring one of the safeties over and only have one to use for the run game. We run 30-40 different formations do hide what we do. It does two things:
1. They line up incorrectly and gives us more numbers than their numbers
2. We outflank them.

ONe final point. If you are going to run to the NUB side then you must place the C back into the (-) position and you know have the numbers again.

Example

--------X-------Z--------------T---G---C---G---T-----
-----------------------------A-----------Q-----------B--
----------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------C

This formation does not remove any of our offense. We run the entire thing from this set.
Good Luck
Karjaw

We dont lose any games we just run out of time.
Fisher Deberry

Chewbakka
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New to the Flexbone Dec 17, 2006 19:58:08 GMT

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Post by Chewbakka on Dec 17, 2006 19:58:08 GMT

Gdub96,
We run option out of the Flexbone. Here's our series of plays.

OPTION

Midline
IV
Speed
Double

COMPLIMENTARY RUNS

Power
Pitch
Trap
Slot Counter

PASSES

1-step
3-step
Play Action
Screens

Against a 50 front, Midline can be very effective. Try this:

PST - Block DE Out
PSG - LB
C - Scoop Nose to LB with BSG
BSG - Scoop step with C
BST - Wheel & Seal the DT
PSB - Slips inside PST, looks inside to track LB to SS
WR - Both Stalk Block
QB - Steps are more like the IV
FB - Aims for PSG not C
BSB - Motion behind FB, stays in pitch relation with QB

Against a Double Eagle, just have everyone take man on, with a combo by the PST & the PSB taking the LB. Option the DE.

E.C. Allore
O-line
Scott HS
Toledo, Ohio

coach LO Senior Member Posts: 266	New to the Flexbone Dec 20, 2006 14:09:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by coach LO on Dec 20, 2006 14:09:23 GMT Coach Chewbaka,Would you like to trade some game film.I coach in Louisiana.We too run flexbone and love sharing information with other coaches.E-mail me at lotiefs@bellsouth.net

Oneback Senior Member EMAIL: billmountjoy@yahoo.com Posts: 6,231	New to the Flexbone Jul 1, 2007 20:11:34 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Oneback on Jul 1, 2007 20:11:34 GMT gdub - this is a good STARTING point on what Flexbone plays to run: It is about the Georgia Southern "Flexbone": "Coaching Footballs Spread Offense" (book) by Tim Stowers Price: $17.95 Order by phone 800-856-2638
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Coach Farist
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New to the Flexbone Mar 27, 2009 20:56:04 GMT

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Post by Coach Farist on Mar 27, 2009 20:56:04 GMT

Coaches,

I am new to the site, but I have been reading everything I can on the Flexbone. I am an old school wishbone guy. We never ran midline, so I am trying to get my head back in the game.

I am coaching a jr high team with 6th and 7th graders.

We will see a lot of 5-3 defenses and a couple of 4-4 defenses not stacked, but played loose with the two OLBs wide.

I know a lot of coaches don't run the midline against an odd man front, but if we did how would we block a 5-3 defense with the Mike stacked behind the nose. He will not be shaded in our base flex formation because we will be balanced, but maybe we should go with a TE BS and run midline away?

Looking for help and trying to build my knowledge base!

Thanks,

Coach Farist

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New to the Flexbone Feb 25, 2010 10:26:26 GMT

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Post by flexbone fan on Feb 25, 2010 10:26:26 GMT

just joined jcfb, and ive been studying and watching coach paul johnson's offense (he calls it the spread) since 2002, and over the years ive seen 5 basic plays:
OV- the DE and OLB are the dive and pitch reads
Midline- the interior DT is optioned or in short yardage/ goal line situations, the QB keeps it, the A back can lead or show option motion
FB Dive- straight up dive, no option, but the A back and QB show option motion
Counter option- BSG pulls and usually blocks the DE, and the QB reverse pivots and options off the OLB. The PS A back shows twirl motion and the BS a back is the pitchman
Rocket Toss Sweep- the A back motions and gets toss, the PSG and PST loop the DE and OLB
personally, even though i haven't coached yet,( i am a college student) i would add these other plays:
FB Trap- looks exactly like CO, but its a give all the way
Speed option- QB FB option, option off DE, no motion by A backs
Freeze option-QB steps away from playside, allows BSG to pull and trap DE, and FB is pichman. OLB is read, use twirl motion
QB sneak- no motion
Rocket Gut- looks like rocket toss sweep, except hand if off to the FB
Tackle Trap Counter- once again, looks like Rocket toss sweep, but its a handoff to BS A back, FB is lead blocker
Rocket Keeper- QB fakes Rocket toss sweep, keeps ball, FB is lead blocker
Draw- A back motions to an "I" formation, gets ball, FB is lead blocker
Sprint Draw- QB sprints out, making it look like a pass, FB acts like he is blocking, then comes back and gets handoff from QB
QB Draw- QB drops back, takes 3 good steps, then tucks ball and looks for daylight

this is my run portion of the playbook(roughly) as for the passing part, i would use:
PA off TO, Midline, and Rocket Toss
Sprint out
3 step(quick passes, i.e. hitches, jailbreak screen)
Run and shoot- Go, Switch, Smash, 4 Verticals
5 step

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New to the Flexbone Feb 25, 2010 20:43:24 GMT

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Post by Mervin on Feb 25, 2010 20:43:24 GMT

The information on this topic is outstanding and if anyone is think about changing over to the flexbone this would be a great help. The book that Coach Mountjoy mentioned would be a great help since it is exactly what Georgia Southern and Hawaii ran another words Paul Johnson's offense.

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