52 SLANT / ANGLE

In the base 5-2 on the conventional OV - QB had wide dive TO QB, ILB scrapes to QB (on wide path of dive/back), & the secondary run force would have pitch (usually teams won't pitch on OV). F/S is an ALLEY player & must help out. On "SLANT/ANGLE" - there are exchanges of responsibilities that would take too long to get into, but they are ADJUSTED out of the base 5-2 rules. If you care to discuss this phone 804-740-4479/

It is taught THIS way, & is called "OPTION OVERLAP":

DE = QB (IV) OR FIRST THREAT TO SHOW WITH BALL (OV-DIVE) CP: When TE blocks down - crash to OV MESH POINT!

DT = DIVE (IV & OV)

ILB = TIGHT PATH BY DIVE BACK -WORK FROM D/Q/P
-------WIDE PATH BY DIVE BACK = SCRAPE TO QB (don't over-run dive if ball IS handed off, BUT, DE gives QB read to PULL the ball & keep it).

NOSE = DIVE (inside-out)

I like the idea of GIVING everyone a responsibility on the veer, then adding: "OR THE FIRST THING THAT SHOWS WITH THE BALL".

Tiger - You are the last person I expected to say that. How can you only play one assignment vs a good option team that will run multiple options like midline, ISV, and OSV?

Coach Tiger One, you do not coach my guys.....but thanks 4 your input....

CUI,

We have ALWAYS played assignment football for whatever option we are seeing. EACH OPTION HAS IT'S OWN ASSIGNMENTS and I don't quite see why it was such an outlandish statement to you. What am I missing? I understand fully exactly what bill is saying, but let me give you an example of what I am trying to convey here: For expediency's sake, lets just say that the force player has pitch (ISV) and the DE has QB. QB fakes dive, pulls and gets up field to his next read which would be the DE. The QB is really good at making a late pitch after drawing the DE to himself. He fakes the pitch, which the DE buys completely and goes to the pitch man, WHICH IS NOT HIS JOB AS THAT BELONGS TO THE FORCE GUY! Now, because DE has fully intended to go to the ball, the QB keeps and is off to the races for a nice gain.
You now have a complete breakdown of the rules, which is always a no no in my book. Another example with the same circumstances happens when the force guy goes to the QB who has gotten himself to close to the defender who thinks "no sense in following my asigment and go to pitch, I can tackle the QB myself"
and leaves the pitch man uncovered because he broke the rules! There goes the pitch and the RB is off to the races. That was my thinking. Hope this clarifys my opinion. Thanks for the comments on this topic CUI, much appreciated by me.

Coach Easton

"Option Overlap" is important. If DE has QB & QB pitches - he must give inside/out pursuit on the pitch.

Parsagehian at ND did a GREAT job on this. In his D-Notebook there was a sheet. Take the WISHBONE as an example: #1 = Dive; #2 = QB; #3 = Pitch. He would define the DE as playing from #2 to #3, ETC.

Yes!

A) IN BASE ("OPTION OVERLAP"): the ILB plays from D to Q to P (I to 2 to 3). Even tho he MAY be assigned to the D - he would not tackle a man he KNOWS doesn't have the ball (example - an Inside Veer in which the QB does not mesh, or he SEES him withdraw the ball) - so he works on out to other phases of the option. DE may have QB to Pitch. Secondary Run Force may have from Pitch to QB.

B) When we blitz to our responsibility: we pretty much HAVE to tackle our initial responsibility.

BASE TECHNIQUES - we read & "OVERLAP OPTION RESPONSIBILITIES". I personally do not know a college "DC" that does NOT do it this way.

Email me at billmountjoy@yahoo.com (or phone 804-740-4479) if you want to be more specific. Too much to type.

ACK27,

Thanks for your input, coach and I sincerely appreciate your point of view. Like I always end up by saying, go with what you know and are comfortable coaching. That's what I have always done. How is your team looking for the spring practice? Do you use a check with me system at the line on selecting your option for that play or another method? How does your line look (offensive)? Do you run a true option whereby the QB reads everything, or do you run a hybrid whereby the staff predertermines a lot of the gives and pulls? Does your QB have good football smarts, solid mechanics, makes good decisions?

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

Jerry - in the decade of the 1960's, when almost everyone was playing the 5-2 (HS & COLLEGE), & the Wishbone/Veer offenses were in vogue - EVERY SINGLE GOOD 5-2 Coach I talked with (Kiffin at Nebraska; Parseghian at ND; Woody at Ohio St; ETC.) played "Option Overlap" in their READ 5-2. If you didn't - you would have little or no PURSUIT (people would be tackling backs that DID NOT have the ball). Right or wrong, that's how the GREAT "D" MINDS did it!

If you were an ILB & you got a quick read that the QB had no intention of handing off on the dive - what sense would it make to THEN tackle the dive back when you continue on out from QB to P?

If you were a DE & the QB prematurely pitched the ball, what sense would it make to THEN tackle the QB when you could give good inside-out pursuit vs the Pitch (which MAY have been turned back TO YOU)? ETC.! NOTE: DE's in "Option Overlap" would "feather" (slow play) the QB which slowed up the play, & facilitated the "OVERLAP PRINCIPLE".

When you bring PRESSURE (not read) the suddeness of the move forces you to tackle your option responsibility - that's a DIFFERENT STORY.

If you would like a good option defense packet - email me at: billmountjoy@yahoo.com

THEORY of option defense from 5-2 (3-4), 4-3, 4-4, ETC. from some of the greatest coaches in the history of the game.

YO DEAC,

GO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW AND WHAT WORKS FOR YOU BUDDY! A quick pull or give is not what the point is all about. The point is all about having the ball extended at your read with only one set of hands on it, until the very last possible instant before a mesh or pull takes place. On the OSV it is all about getting behind the line surge and heading DOWNFIELD with the ball held 6 inches in front of the QB's numbers and not even extended until the last possible instant, (extending the ball while following his down hill path on the OSV would only slow down the QB) being rocked gently from side to side not to extend outside the body framework of the QB, with two pressure points on the ball at all times. Just thought I would explain.

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

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Originally posted by: Oneback
Jerry - in the decade of the 1960's, when almost everyone was playing the 5-2 (HS & COLLEGE), & the Wishbone/Veer offenses were in vogue - EVERY SINGLE GOOD 5-2 Coach I talked with (Kiffin at Nebraska; Parseghian at ND; Woody at Ohio St; ETC.) played "Option Overlap" in their READ 5-2. If you didn't - you would have little or no PURSUIT (people would be tackling backs that DID NOT have the ball). Right or wrong, that's how the GREAT "D" MINDS did it!

If you were an ILB & you got a quick read that the QB had no intention of handing off on the dive - what sense would it make to THEN tackle the dive back when you continue on out from QB to P?

If you were a DE & the QB prematurely pitched the ball, what sense would it make to THEN tackle the QB when you could give good inside-out pursuit vs the Pitch (which MAY have been turned back TO YOU)? ETC.! NOTE: DE's in "Option Overlap" would "feather" (slow play) the QB which slowed up the play, & facilitated the "OVERLAP PRINCIPLE".

When you bring PRESSURE (not read) the suddeness of the move forces you to tackle your option responsibility - that's a DIFFERENT STORY.

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Coach Mountjoy,

When facing an option team, might you want to (legally) hit the QB no matter what in hopes of influencing his decision making later in the game?

Coach Scott - we try to WEAR THE QB OUT. In a "hard" (penetrating) technique we GET the hit. When "feathering" - you have to be careful.