2 pt stance-run

NOT trying to be facetious, but TRY to take as much weight off him as his family physician will allow! Remember: "HITTERS ARE KNEE BENDERS" (power producing angles come in the ankles, knees, AND hips).!!!!!!!! If he is not flexible enough to get into a good 3 point stance = I don't know how he can UNCOIL. Putting him up all the time may not be the answer!

Our kids (going back to 1961) have NEVER been able to run block as well in 2 point stance!

What do you do on the GOAL LINE? I would be interested in knowing.

The use of the old "Crowther" Drill. we neither use a Crowther (we use the Rogers "Mod Sled" with the big "Pro-A Pad"), nor do we shoulder block, but we can STILL use that progression to teach explosion. This is one of the OLDEST drills in football - older than I am (& I am 69 years old).

EXPOLDE out of 6 points, 4 points, 3 points, 2 points, etc. KEEP THE "POWER PRODUCING ANGLES" IN THE STANCE:

Procedure:

1. Offensive lineman aligns in front of the pad on the 2 Man sled.
2. On coach's command he will fully unload hands blow to the padded area of the sled, fully extending his hips on contact.
3. Player will align just far enough from the sled to be in a fully extended position on contact. It is okay for him to have same slight sag in his abdominal area while being fully extended on the sled.


Coaching Points:

1. Do not align player too far from the sled or player will not be able to stay in a fully extended position.
2. Deliver blow with the hands, not the shoulder - to the NUMBERS on the pad. Use a slight windup - elbows & hands in tight
3. Do NOT move the feet from their original position in the stance (in the 6 or 4 point positions).
4. Player should stay square to the sled with neck bridged back, never striking the head. Players below the professional level should always wear a helmet when doing this drill.

Players do NOT drive the sled in this drill -just work on EXPLOSION out of the Power Angles. IF from a 3 or 2 point stance - only TWO steps are permitted.

coaches, We are a spread philosophy offense 4 wideouts with a single back shotgun qb. My HC and OC both wanted the OL in 2 pt stance against my advice, we started the season with our tackles in 2pt. and our guards in 3pt. by the 4th game i was forced into having the guards play out of 2pt stances also.

within the 5 yard line on goaline situation we worked out of power I, then all OL were in 3 pt stances.

we rep'd chute drills every week of the season out of 2 pt stance, if the boys didn't stay low they bang their heads on steel. I took every aspect of run blocking progression except out of a 2 pt stance (a very low and balanced stance)

we also rep'd hand placement and locking onto DL breast plate before the defender could get into our numbers.

We are not a power running team although we ran for lots of yards, our qb and rb combined for over 1500 yds on the ground in 10 games, we went from 0-10 to 4-6 this past year. We took advantage of angles and positioning ourselves well in space. The advantage of 2 pt was being able to see where the defense was coming from pre-snap.

GREAT DISCUSSION ON TWO PT. STANCE.

I'm also looking at a two Pt. stance, especially for all shotgun formations.

My points are:

Already in a pass blocking mode, hands are already up and ready to punch.

Most of, if not all, what we do will either be pass, draw, trap, shuffle pass, option..can all be done from the 2pt. stance.


GL-SY-3-pt. and teach drive block..only teaching one block,

QB under center......I'm researching the same premise as the shotgun....it it's pass, trap, draw, screen, shuffle then drive blocking won't be neccessary.

How do we gain toughness if we are always up. Spend time each day with on the drive block. Spend time each week going live SY and GL , best against best. Demand toughness and be physical...most will get it on the defensive side anyway by two platooning..which we have to do.

Welcome all thought.....still deciding....

Deac14

Tiger

Even for draws, traps out of Gun?

Under center..we will be 3 Pt.

Tiger:

I agree. I want to make sure that our linemen have the advantage from stance and alignment based on their ability; strengths and limitations.

Thanks for your insight.


Da Nation..... What were your base running plays out of two pt. ?

Last season we went to a one-back spread system after 3 years of being am 85% of the time double tight wing-T team. Neadless to say the transformation was a little rough and we didn't quite "get" the offense until about half way throught the season. Despite this we, we broke or tiednearly every offensive school record we had and only won three games.
My initial thought was we were going to use a 2pt offensive line stance. No exceptions, no excuses. We were going to commit to this and stick to it. We practiced this and drilled the daylights out of it for the first week. As a coach my players know that I rely on their honesty and I will always return the gesture. My players feel free to give me their suggestions and talk to me about what the need to do to be more successful. Two of my veteran lineman came to me and said "Coach, you know how you always tell us that the low man wins in football, well I don't feel I can get low enough and don't feel confident blocking while I am in a 2-pt. stance." After discussing this with my OL coach we decided that we would go back to the 3-pt. stance.
The reason the we madethis decision was not just because two players didn't care for it thoguht it did help. Barry Switzer wrote one time that every year he timed his athletes coming out of a 2-pt stance Vs coming out of a 3-pt. stance and that ever year the times were faster out of the three. Another reason is becauase I firmly believe that sports and athletics especially with high school aged athletes is a head game. If my players believe that they can not block effectively from a 2-pt. then they won't. This does not discourage us from trying new things but if there seems to be no real advantage then we will revert back to where we feel most comfortable.
It is hard for me to argue against a 2-pt. stance when so many successful programs at all levels are using it. The 3-pt. stance seem to work better for us when running and passing. My suggestion is first, trust players, ask them where they feel most comfortable and second, teach them the 2-pt. and the 3-pt. stance early in their football career. Then they will feel comfortable with both. What works for us may not work for everyone. These are just my thoughts. Good luck to everyone.