Double tight or double slot

Double slot is better because you create balance with the defense and spread the field. It is a more effective way to run the triple for those two reasons alone. I would definitely like to discuss this further.

You're making me dizzy... CUI. That's so many things to teach! I would like to see what your top priorities are with your offense--formations, plays, other in numberical order and help you from there.

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Originally posted by: Lou Cella
You're making me dizzy... CUI. That's so many things to teach! I would like to see what your top priorities are with your offense--formations, plays, other in numberical order and help you from there.

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Formations:
1. Double tight with a flanker, and I formation.
- This will be our starting place for all levels (Fr through Varsity).
- Base option plays are ISV, OSV, and hopefully midline if we feel like we can add it. Our other main running plays will be power, counter, and FB trap. We might have a simple freeze type of counter double option.
- We would use the TB as the pitch man on option, and he would be the main ball carier on lead, power, and counter.

2. Double tight with TB replaced as a flanker.
3. Double tight with TB and flanker on the same side (trips). The TB might be subbed for a WR on these one back sets. (1 and 2)
* The past 2 years we have run double tight, pro, twins, quads, and Tre.
- Base plays stay the same. We will pick a few players (TEs or WRs) who will be the pitch man vs. option - this will be a personnel situation. These will be the only kids we teach this technique to. They will be smart and talented enough.
- We can run lead and power from one back sets with the QB as the main carrier either under center (looks like draw) or from the gun.
- Blocking will be the same for the OL.

* Last year we ran ISV and midline. We have actually simplified a lot besides adding OSV, which I know takes a lot of time.

* We also have run sprint out, play action and some 3 step, along with play action and boot.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the reply. Don't you think it would be easier for the OL to always block from double tights? It seems like we can teach the backs more than the OL as far as different plays.

excuse me for interupting, I may not understand or have missed something, what advantage is there to running option from a 2 te set? It appears to me, you are only going to help balance the field for the defense and force yourself to pitch "now" or down field.

As I see this, you will now have a man that you can not acct for as your pitch read. Even if you plan to pitch on the cb, s, or olb, you are now bringing everyone to the point of attack and can not man on two instead of one. In other words, I see a pitch defender and a run defender sitting there waiting for you..

If your thought to go 2 te's was to bring everyone inside so you can get outside quicker, I do not see this as a solution,

If you "bunch" your rec. I believe you will find yourself forced to option away from the strength, which is fine, however, how will you be able to provide any deception at all if you motion back across and try to run weak side every time?

The only advantage I see here at all, is the ability to run osv to set up your short, te passing game.

I would recommend you go to a single te and slot or a single te with various rec formations, this should give you the needed two against one relationship neccessary to run option.

CUI, how the heck can you execute all those plays? Stick with the midline, inside veer, outside veer, power, counter, and trap. Remember, for a running play to work effectively, it must be run at least six times/game (Zierlein study). If you have a play that you do not plan to use at least six times/game, IT IS WORTHLESS!

What plays are you guys talking about?
I mentioned ISV, OSV, FB trap, Lead, Power, and Counter as our base plays.
We will throw play action, a little three step, and sprint out at most for passes.
I appreciate everyone's willingness to help decide what plays to run. I totally agree that execution is more important than diversity.
My original question was whether to run dble tight or double slot. We are fairly comfortable with the way that we coach, and we have had a good deal of success. I would rather focus on what formations are better for us here. I only mentioned our plays so you would have an idea what we are trying to do. Two years ago when we made the semi's, we ran a lot more formations and plays than mentioned above - but none of them were true option.

Anyway...

It is very tough here to consistently get 4 or more guys out of the box - nearly impossible, especially if you are using 2 backs. Running the option, or any running play with one TE and 2 backs is very hard to do vs a decent defense. Double tights balances out a defense very well. I hate to see it as a DC.
I can draw up a scheme to defend any option, and a good defensive plan will always have everyone accounted for on paper - any play and formation. I like the idea of running any play both ways. I like how we can keep the blocking simple and make plays look very different to the defense by using players -various players - as the main ball carrier from shotgun formations. I understand it is hard to understand how this works... it probably sounds very complicated.

FBfannwis - I am having trouble visualizing what you feel the advantage is of one TE sets opposed to double tights. I assume you are talking about running the option from the I? L

I appreciate the conversation guys. Let's assume we are able to run and execute the three options (ML, ISV, OSV) only.
- If we can line up and run traditional I formation running plays from the double tight I, we will. If not, we can try to spread them out with one back sets. Let's assume for simplicity sake we are running all one back sets.
- We plan to use trips to get a balanced D (5-3 and 4-4 that we see so much of) to unbalance (using a WR as a pitch man). Until they do, we should be able to run the option to the strong side.
- When they do adjust, we can run the option back to the weak side. We could either pitch to the TE or just block with him and run a two man option.

Go ahead and let me know your thoughts here.

CUI, I suppose we did go on bit of a tangent.

Double slot is more efficient because the defense has to defend more of the field and more potential options.

I hope that helped, CUI. I apologize for yet another tangent on my part.

I obviously need to learn how to put a formation on here,

I really do appreciate the conversation and willingness to help. I hope you guys realize that.

Lou - I know you probably don't run the option at the college you coach at. Did you run the double slot as a HS coach? How wide are the slots? What options did you run? When we see a flexbone or double slot team that motions a wideout to be the TB or pitch man, we usually can get 9 in the box and 10 with their eyes on the ball. The DB on the single receiver side just locks up and we are in a form of quarter, quarter, half out of our 5-2. The man over the motion man mirrors the pitch man on the weak side, then bails out to the MOF over #2 strong.

Coach K - Could you give me a little more info. on what you tried to do out of double tights and why you didn't like it? What exact formations did you try and what plays did you try to run?