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As I've been helping our HC go through our offense and make sure we've got what we want before next season, I noticed that we have no way of attacking the perimeter with an option.
We are a Flexbone team that runs Option & Power runs
OPTION
Midline
ISV
Speed
Trap
Counter
POWER
Iso
Pitch
Counter Trey
I've spoken to our HC about the OSV as I understand it (and just finished reading the post to TIGER & CELLA) but he doesn't like the Mesh point. Doesn't that hit in the C Gap anyway?
I just spoke to him today about the LOAD, having our PSSB block down on the DE, wrapping the FB, & letting the QB & BSSB run off that block and pitch off the force man (probably the SS). He didn't like that explaining that the DE will either 1: gain depth upfield or 2: play it slow outside.
Am I overlooking an argument? Do we need to have a perimeter option? Am I just being dumb?
In my opinion, you have too many plays in with which to begin. You are running a pitch. That is the best way I know to get the ball to the perimeter. Speed attacks the perimeter. I do not like speed option and I used to run it several years ago. I do not like speed because of how many times we were beat with penetration.
Personally, an offense that uses midline, inside veer, pitch, and a counter (either counter trey or counter option) would be enough for me. You do need a play that attacks the off-tackle hole, and counter trey does that if you run it to the tight end side.
Too many plays in an offense minimizes execution and once you SACRIFICE DISGUISE FOR EXECUTION you SACRIFICE losses!
I look forward to discussing this further.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
Narrowing it down like you said to the essentials would be 1 play per gap that you attack? Somthing like this?
A Gap = Midline
B Gap = ISV
C Gap (outside for us out of Flexbone) = Pitch
Do you plan for the backside?
BS A = Trap
BS B = Counter
BS C = Counter Trey
or is this already too much?
Coach, I definately agree with you about not executing well. It was our biggest problem last season, always 1 to 2 guys messing an assignment up (resulting in little to no gain). When we executed 100%, I'd guess we averaged 15 yds a shot...just a guess though.
EC, unless you have superior talent that can create things to happen in an offense, you will have difficulty succeeding in Ohio running all that.
A triple option offense needs a midline, a veer, a play that takes advantage of a 5 tech. that stops the dive (outside veer is one... I prefer running power), a play that takes advantage of an invert that shoves and closes (pitch), and a counter that takes advantage of an overpursuing will linebacker (counter trey or counter option). If you are doing more than that, you can never effectively execute a triple option attack with the detail that you need to get to maximum potential. Your head coach is sacrificing DISGUISE for EXECUTION and I hope he is reading this! As an offensive line coach, I can imagine your frustration spending time attempting to teach adolescents a dozen plus plays... because it sacrifices fundamentals. So many high school coaches in this country just don't get it!
The ones who go either have ridiculously superior talent and/or follow the Colts' theory on offense. I have always believed in this, but I LOVE the wording that Tom Moore used to describe his offense.
Indianapolis Colts Offensive Philosophy:
#1 "LESS IS BETTER"
#2 "If things aren't going right - REDUCE"
#3 "Stick with what you do best and get BETTER at it."
4. "Don't add OR change during the season - if it was THAT good, why the hell didn't you put it in during August"?
PS: It is not WHAT you do, but HOW WELL YOU DO IT!
I've been an offensive line coach in your shoes before, AC. I learned firsthand from Jim McNally as I watched him show me at Buffalo Bills training camp, and then tell me how to coach when you run a lot of plays. He coaches fundamentals as it corresponds to each play. They block each play and he coaches fundamentals on the fly. That's the best way to coach OLine when you run that many plays.
I hope this helped and continue to look for further discussion on this topic.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
EC, unless you have superior talent that can create things to happen in an offense, you will have difficulty succeeding in Ohio running all that.
A triple option offense needs a midline, a veer, a play that takes advantage of a 5 tech. that stops the dive (outside veer is one... I prefer running power), a play that takes advantage of an invert that shoves and closes (pitch), and a counter that takes advantage of an overpursuing will linebacker (counter trey or counter option). If you are doing more than that, you can never effectively execute a triple option attack with the detail that you need to get to maximum potential. Your head coach is sacrificing DISGUISE for EXECUTION and I hope he is reading this! As a former offensive line coach for many years, I can imagine your frustration spending time attempting to teach adolescents a dozen plus plays... because it sacrifices fundamentals. So many high school coaches in this country just don't get it!
The high school coaches who win state championships either have ridiculously superior talent and/or follow the Colts' theory on offense. I have always believed in a principle of being ridiculously oversimplistic, but I LOVE the wording that Tom Moore used to describe his offense.
Indianapolis Colts Offensive Philosophy:
#1 "LESS IS BETTER"
#2 "If things aren't going right - REDUCE"
#3 "Stick with what you do best and get BETTER at it."
4. "Don't add OR change during the season - if it was THAT good, why the hell didn't you put it in during August"?
PS: It is not WHAT you do, but HOW WELL YOU DO IT!
I've been an offensive line coach in your shoes before, AC. I learned firsthand from Jim McNally as I watched him show me at Buffalo Bills training camp, and then tell me how to coach when you run a lot of plays. He coaches fundamentals as it corresponds to each play. They block each play and he coaches fundamentals on the fly. That's the best way to coach OLine when you run that many plays.
I hope this helped and continue to look for further discussion on this topic.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
Have you guys looked into Rocket? I know a lot of Flexbone and Wing-T teams that use Rocket to get to the outside quick.
I agree with having too many plays kills execution and overtrains your players, I've experienced it in the past and learned from it. I say run less play more effectively, than more play mediocre!!! Just my thoughts. good luck.
I do not agree that the most expedient way to get the ball on the perimeter is the pitch. THE MOST EXPEDIENT WAY TO GET THE BALL TO THE PERIMETER IS THE HITCH PASS (5-6 YD HITCH) WHEREBY THE RECEIVER IS USUALLY PITTED ONE ON ONE WITH A DB AND NOT LIKE A RUNNER WHO IS LOOKING AT AN ENTIRE DEFENSE COMING TO KNOCK HIS JOCK LOOSE.
As the merits of the OSV go, IMO, they are without a doubt the perfect compliment to the ISV. To run the ISV and not couple it with the OSV, to me, costs you a lot of options that break big. Knowing that all options that break big occur in the outer 1/3 of the field, it always made sense to me to get to the outside as expediently as possible with the OSV, or load option.
Chewbakka, sure the OSV is designed for the running path of the dive back to hit on the outside leg of the OT (C gap) but if the gap is taken away the QB pulls it and gets upfield to his next read. If it is there and he gives, your dive back has a full head of steam up and hits the hole like a mack truck! Whats not to like about that? I don't quite understand where your HC is coming from with that outlook. Could you get him to give us his reasoning? Not looking for an argument, just a good option football discussion.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I agree with Tiger. The hitch may be the BEST PLAY IN HS FOOTBALL. You should be able to complete a high percentage. Throw a 6yd completion....with your W.O 1 on 1 with lots of grass. WOW!
The pitch.....A few things have to happen before your option read tells you to pitch, especially if you're reading the triple option.
In the triple, whether ISV or OSV, your WB's, slot's..whatever you call them, should be your 3rd and 4th best runners, not you #1 and #2. That's a whole other discussion. So, why not throw to a rec? My experience is...they block their butts off..you have to throw them a bone.
Happy are those who dreams dreams and are ready to pay the price to make them come true.
Ting, the next chance I get, I'm running the rocket pitch. It is an unbelievable play. That's to what I was referring by pitch.
CUI, the best way to run the triple option is out of a double slot with no Tight End. Outside veer is only effective if there is a tight end.
If you're going to run split back veer, you do need outside veer. Of course Carson-Newman does not run outside veer and have done remarkably well running split back veer.
Great topic!
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
The outside veer will open up your offense.A lot of teams assign a defender to dive,QB, and pitch regardless to where the dive back dives.The dive over the tackle will destroy these predetermined notions.Midline, inside veer, and OUTSIDE VEER will give you enough fire power!!!
Suppose you are running option vs a 4-4 defense and they are taking away the midline by pinching the DT. The obvious compliment is to run the FB at the uncovered lineman (OT). Which one do you run and why? I know some of you don't run the OSV because you are a double slot team. Assume you are using a TE on the playside.
If you are referring to a DT pinching after the snap and not by alignment in the PSL, I suggest that you get a new dive back as no pinching tackle should be able to stop the dive back if he is hitting the hole with EXPLOSION AND SPEED AS HE IS SUPPOSED TO. The only way he should be able to stop him by pinching is to align in the PSL so that the QB knows it is going to be an automatic pull as he has taken away the running lane.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I'm talking about a 2 technique DT who takes A gap / Dive. I agree a 3 tech should be a give on midline every time.
I am curious about the veer vs a 4-4. We usually arc the TE to the OLB / SS. It seems like a lot of people will veer release the TE to the ILB. Sending him inside would leave the DE (probably takes dive) and SS (probably takes QB) as the dive and pitch reads, with a WR blocking the corner or running off and maybe cracking the FS. Blocking this DB is pretty tough, especially when you can't cut.
If you arc the TE, you are trusting your OT and OG to double the DT to the ILB. This can be a tough block, but teaching / making these kinds of blocks should be our main objective. If you can block those two, I think you are in business as you have the DE for dive read and now there is not a defender taking the QB quite as quickly.
If you send the TE to the ILB you are giving the secondary a run read. SBV coaches (most of them anyway) always get the TE out to the force defender to give the secondary similar looks between run plays and pass plays.
We use the TE to seal the LB against the 4-4...if we even use a TE. If they are going to give a 3 and 1 DTs, run the Veer to the 1 tech side. Now you should have no trouble getting the ILB blocked. There aren't a lot of 4-4 people who go double 3s anymore (Notre Dame 4-4) so run it where its better.
"You cannot expect greatness unless you sacrifice greatly."
This has taken a different course from the original question of getting the ball outside on option.
We do run outside veer to a slot and just combo with him and the OT to the LB. We only do this to an odd front tackle aligned in a 4i, who is taking away the FB on inside veer. Q comes flat down the LOS and reads the first man ususlly a DE , who normally has the Q. He now must decide; does he take dive or Q. We also feel it is necessary to occassionally get the ball pitched out of out triple option action and we do this by loading #1 with slot and tackle...Q flash fakes the FB then pitches or keeps off #2 (this is a called 2 way option with the FB doing most of the faking). We've been diving the FB hard into B gap on this play, but may start taking him around the load and up on safety. Regarding the hitch: Our best play action pass off the triple action is a smash route with the SE running the hitch and the playside slot on the corner route...Q fakes to the FB and continues down the LOS and throws on the run...reading the corner...if he sinks hit the hitch...if he comes up hit the slot on the corner route...he also has the option to run with it
It is great to have a knowledgeable coach like yourself entering into the forum discussions! Man, who cares if they roll up the corners on the number 1's as my guys are just going to run the fade without even thinking about it. NOw, if it is a "get the ball to the hitch" on a smash call, then we rely upon our having the right guy who can make a move and catch the 5-6 yd hitch! That is the play we always call from the sideline or box, it is a strictly predetermined thing with us if we want the hitch to get the ball at all costs!
To tell you the truth our QB reads nothing but the hitch defender in this instance, even if the 7 route comes open if they are in zone and the QB reads only the # 1 receiver if in man. Always looking for that separation.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I don't know how knowledgeable I am but I've been exposed to a lot of different coaches and schemes. I have been fortunate enough to coach the Ga. Southern Hambone, I formation with 3 wides, John Mackovic's Passing attack, Zone Stretch and Shotgun.
I'm glad to help in any way I can.....and "lord knows" I still need help!
Jay
Happy are those who dreams dreams and are ready to pay the price to make them come true.
We ALL still need help! When you reach that plateau where you think you have "arrived" in this game, your kidding yourself! I lived about 50 miles from Georgia Southern when Irk was there. What years were you there? Did you get to coach Tracy and Rodney both? Did you know the guard I mentioned, Brad Bernard? After playing for me, he went into coaching and has been the OC at Bethune Cookman for several years now. He is very active on the speakers circuit in the off season, you may run into him if you do much speaking.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Amen to that..coaching is just like golf..as soon as you think you've arrived......well you know..
I was at GS from 1987-1990. Tracey had just left..and Raymond Gross from Hinesville was an incoming Frosh. Great option QB who could throw, His best attribute was that he could read and check us into the right play.
Brad " Burger King' Bernard...I think he started like 46 varsity football games in his career. Raymond Gross starter 53..You'll get pretty good with that experience.
I haven't spoken in years. My brother is the OC at Villanova..he does all the speaking...I just lecture my two son's at home on the " grease board" even they've stopped listening to me.
Happy are those who dreams dreams and are ready to pay the price to make them come true.
I felt badly for Brad Bernard as he got a shot with the Carolina Panthers after helping us win our 1994 AFL super bowl in the professional Minor league. He had been at 325 lbs. and I worked his butt off and got him down to around 300 or so and when he worked out for them he was told he was too light. Go figure.
He wa a very good player, heady, and could flat block!
Well, the years you were there you must have known the DC's last name(Mike was his first name) and I want to say Healy was his last name, is that right? At any rate he was the HC at Bishop Kenny high school in Jacksonville and was instrumental in getting Irk to look at my son, prior to going to GS.
You didn't tell me what you run as an offense at your present college?
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Mike Healy is the coachs's name from Bishop Kenney.
My last stop was Cornell, now I'm helping my son's HS team.
The team ran shotgun last year. I really couldn't tell you what they were trying to do...I think it might have been "America's favorite Plays" with no continuity of scheme, reads, adjustments, hot's or rationale of protections......so..it should be fun.....I HAVE TO REMEMBER THE MOST IMPORTANT BIT OF ADVICE I'VE READ SINCE JOINING.
IT COMES FROM A COACH NAMED EASTON AND ONE NAMED MOUNTJOY........I'M THE ASSITANT AND BE LOYAL TO THE HEAD COACH. HE HAS THE FINAL SAY!
I'LL NEED TO READ THAT EVERY DAY..AS A REMINDER.
Happy are those who dreams dreams and are ready to pay the price to make them come true.
I know it has to be tough when your facing the situation your now in with your son and his head coach. Just bite your lip, hold your tongue, and it will all work out. Unless the guy is a total jerk it will not be long, I'm sure, that he will realize that your a very valuable asset to him and not a detriment. Just walk softly until he gets to know you. I coached my son for a lot of years and it is a real labor of love.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
One mistake I feel I did make was while coaching my son, I went out of my way to make certain there was never going to be any room for anyone to start saying he was being favored. So, if the team ran a 10 minute endurance run, he ran 15. At the end of practice and the team ran 10 gassers, I made him run 15, etc. Being a QB, I always made him run the hardest plays in team periods while I would give the other candidates the easier reads, etc. I made him throw the low percentage passes while letting the other guys throw the high percentage completion stuff, etc.
I never thought of it as being unfair to him, but really it was. I would never do that part of it again, if I had to do it all over. The players all knew he was the best player for the job, so never was faced with the jealousy bit from them or their parents.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Coach Easton..Great Points......I got the same advice this past weekend from "My HS COACH". My DAD said to keeps my eye's open and my mouth shut. He coached 30 years of HS football, all with the same school. Salem HS, Salem, New Jersey. He was a WW II Marine and played RB/LB for the 1952 Washington Redskins.
I learned to play defense when I threw a critical interception as a soph and was afraid to come off the field and face his wrath. So I stayed out there.
You'll like this since your son was an ACC Player. A favorite amongst fellow Deacons. Sung to the same tune as the above....
Way beyond the Durham ditches,
there's a place called Hell.
That's where 10,000 SOB's
call it Chapel Hill.
Happy are those who dreams dreams and are ready to pay the price to make them come true.
lOVE THE LITTLE DITTY ABOUT CHAPEL HILL. They had recruited my son quite heavily since his Junior year in high school and then hired Mac Brown when my boy was just finishing high school. He immediately notified us that Lance was no longer being recruited as he had brought some QB with him and they felt they had the positon sufficiently covered. We were disappointed at the time, but respected his notifying us and not just leaving us hang! I have always considered it a class thing to do and he has had my respect ever since.
Your dad sounds like a good man to me, being an ex marine I know he is, and I'm sure he was a great coach and role model for you.
I never got on anybody on game night very much. I would get in your face Monday through Friday but on game day I wa always a big believer in POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT. To yell at a kid and get him all shook up is only detrimental in my opinion. A calm, under control demeanor is what I always tried to convey to the team on game night. I never allowed my assistants to be screamers on game night either for the same reason. The mark of a good staff that works well together and wins consistently, in my book, is the one that is quietly efficient on game night. Talking in conversational tones on the phones, talking and giving instructions clearly and precisely so as to be easily understood by the players, these are the things I always insisted upon on game night. As you well know, players all react differently to different methods of motivating them. Some need a good kick in the rear to get them going, some really respond to a good chewing out, etc. but I always believed that on game night to get a player rattled by yelling at him was counter productive. I found that a hand on the shoulder, turning away from the stands and facing the field and talking in normal tones was much more effective for me on game night than any other way. I always said something like: Son, I need you to calm down now, put your thinking cap on and get back in there and do the things that we worked on in practice all week. Can you do that for me?
In most instances, the player would respond by going back in there and concentrating on his assignments
and doing things correctly, which I always found to be productive for the end result we wanted to achieve,
TO WIN! Just my way as always.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE