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CUI
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Back up option QB May 28, 2007 21:02:22 GMT

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Post by CUI on May 28, 2007 21:02:22 GMT

It seems there are some unique considerations an option team must take into account.
For me, I worry about my back up quarterback. As a small school, we are going to have to put our best players on the field. This means that the kid who would be our second choice for QB would likely be our first choice for another position. Since the option is such a repitition intensive offense, this is an issue. Does anyone have any solutions to this issue? I am planning on not letting our #2 play any other offensive position, and betting on him if / when injury strikes. Our main ball carriers will play cornerback if at all possible to limit hits as much as possible on defense.

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Back up option QB May 28, 2007 21:37:54 GMT

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Post by Lou Cella on May 28, 2007 21:37:54 GMT

I learned from a high school coach in Pennsylvania who has been to the state championship game that in a triple option offense, your #2 quarterback should be one of your other athletes on the field. There is not enough parity at a small school to justify a complete #2 QB, especially when running the triple.

Lou Cella
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Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)

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Back up option QB May 29, 2007 11:19:10 GMT

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Post by CUI on May 29, 2007 11:19:10 GMT

Last year we tried that. We had our best player, who happened to be playing TE last year, play QB when our #1 got hurt. He did a good job, but it was mostly just becaue he was so athletic. It was very sloppy. This year, we will have the TE as our FB with our QB back as well. These two are game changers and are a step above everyone else we will have.
We will also have a good sophomore QB and a good soph RB that we could put in if necessary, but there would be a sizable dropoff compared to the seniors. Our dilemma is whether to use the soph as #2, or the senior FB. The soph will be a very good player when he's done, but is not a huge threat to run the ball right now.
I guess my main concern is getting the #2 guy enough reps if he is playing another position. Do you have a solution here Lou? Limit the plays he learns and cut down the offense if we have to use him?

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Back up option QB May 30, 2007 4:31:24 GMT

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Post by Lou Cella on May 30, 2007 4:31:24 GMT

Play the best #2 possible... he should get anywhere from 20-33 percent of the reps in practice. If you think that is too much, you need to take a hard look at how you practice. You should be practicing with the intent of getting 2.5 plays/minute. That is realistic high-school game tempo. The average high school football game consists of 120 plays in 48 minutes.

I hope this helps and I look forward to further discussion.

Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)

CUI
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Back up option QB May 30, 2007 20:08:13 GMT

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Post by CUI on May 30, 2007 20:08:13 GMT

I assume you are talking about group and team time when you speak of 2.5 plays per minute. That seems like a great goal and I am positive we have not gotten close to that many in the past - we are going to put everyone together this year (9-12) for team for the first time and see what happens. We are hoping for more quality and tempo. I am worried about some of the weaker players though.
I know you are to coach on the run, but aren't there times where it is better to stop and walk though / talk through some things? I think this will be difficult for us not to do.
Average play lasts 5 or more seconds. X 2.5 = 12.5 seconds.
Jog back to huddle, coach on the run, and get play = 15 seconds. X 2.5 = 37.5 seconds.
Hustle to los, make calls, start cadence, perform motion, etc = 5 seconds. X 2.5 = 12.5 seconds. THAT'S STILL TOO MUCH AND I THINK I AM PROBABLY BEING UNREALISTIC. How many teams do you know that actually achieve this?

That is a very loft goal, but one worth shooting for.

Lou Cella Senior Member Posts: 1,486	Back up option QB May 30, 2007 20:29:34 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Lou Cella on May 30, 2007 20:29:34 GMT Coach Campbell was the first one that introduced me to the concept about five years ago. I thought it was impossible too, until I coached at the college level. It's a process, believe me.
	Lou Cella Head Varsity Football Coach Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)

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Back up option QB May 31, 2007 5:33:54 GMT

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Post by Option Coach on May 31, 2007 5:33:54 GMT

We have a fast paced, option session at the beginning of practice (right after extra point). I script 25-30 plays and we have 10 minutes. We use it to practice our option audibles. Veer check with me, midline check with me, pairing IV OV, etc. We also try to have a few play action pass thrown in. This is seperate from our team session.

This may be the first year in nine where I've had two underclassmen (a Jr and a Sohp) who are both varsity material. They will both be getting reps at QB during practice, but the Jr. will probably have to learn another position. Our best player will also spend time at QB, even though he is our 3rd string.

"You cannot expect greatness unless you sacrifice greatly."

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Back up option QB May 31, 2007 8:23:10 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on May 31, 2007 8:23:10 GMT

COACH,

As a coach who ran the triple for many years on the high school level, my approach was much different from the posts above. Being a head coach for a lot of years, no matter what, I always considered myself a QB coach first and foremost.

If it seems a bit unrealistic to you, it may well be, but for me it worked year in and year out very well.
My approach with my QB's revolved around the fact that I NEVER got caught in the situation you find yourself in at present. In order to prevent this, I always started grooming a minimum of TWO QB's from the 8th grade on, and most often worked with 3 new guys. I know the limitations of coaching in a small school, but if you will initiate a systamatic approach to this obstacle you will be the better for it, coach. Every Saturday morning that I possibly could, I would attend the local Pop Warner games with the idea in mind of seeing which young men possessed the talent level and intelligence to run an option attack successfully. would make my choices and then have a talk with their parents and tell them that if their son was interested in becoming a varsity QB someday, I would like to start working wth them in the off season as I did not want to interfere in any way with their present coach. I would begin with the very basic rudiments of the QB position and move on at the player's showing me he had that facet mastered and was capable of moving on to the next step in the learning process. Does it take dedication on your part? Does it take a WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA WORK ON YOUR PART? YOU BET IT DOES!!! But, I can honestly say that I never had even one time to use another position player to be the # 2 QB, simply because we had put in the extra time and work to always have a real QB who is trained to step in when needed. I think a lot of coaches miss the boat when they really don't understand that a real QB is a special breed of youngster and that they don't grow on trees. Sure, you can take a kid who has athletic ability who is really a receiver and teach him a few plays, etc. and stick him at QB in emergency. BUT, to have a REAL TRAINED QB at the # 2 spot is a much better plan in my book. Just my way, but it worked just great for me in my career. Best of luck with your solving of the present problem and keep us informed to how it all shakes out for you, ok?

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

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Post by CUI on May 28, 2007 21:02:22 GMT

Post by Lou Cella on May 28, 2007 21:37:54 GMT

Post by CUI on May 29, 2007 11:19:10 GMT

Post by Lou Cella on May 30, 2007 4:31:24 GMT

Post by CUI on May 30, 2007 20:08:13 GMT

Post by Lou Cella on May 30, 2007 20:29:34 GMT

Post by Option Coach on May 31, 2007 5:33:54 GMT

Post by TIGER ONE on May 31, 2007 8:23:10 GMT

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