Man or zone in goaline?

Whatever YOU believe in. Something not too far from your BASE. Our 4-2-5 adjusts to the standard GL defenses most play (OLB's in tight 9; DE's in tight 5 or a 4; DT's in a 1; ILB's in a 30 - inside shoe to crotch on OG). Everybody but the OLB's play these techniques in BASE anyway. Secondary can be tight man Cover 0, OR, a ROBBER (both of which are in our BASE package)!

Take a look at George Hill's Ohio St Goal Line vs option - he was primarily zone. He was always GOOD vs Veer & Bone on GL!

Ditto: Erk Russell at Georgia, & Georgia Southern - he was primarily man (he tried to get the Safety on the pitch, and used a "Banjo" technique vs "picks" which had men SWITCHING responsibility).

This is all too much to type - if you want a copy of man AND zone GL TECHNIQUES - email me at:
billmountjoy@yahoo.com

CUI,

THe only man not covered in straight man is the QB, why would you have any difficulty covering the pitch man? Just curious as to what your thinking is.

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

Jerry - check out Erk's "VEER TECHNIQUE" in his GL. You have that.

If you decide to play man on the goaline and a team runs a spread option and implements a crack on the pitchman, the defender covering the crack blocker will take himself out of the play.

Even if you attempt press technique, the offense will use motions so that you are unable to press a motion from a wide flanker.

Am I missing something?

We had a hell of a time stopping our own offense last year.

CUI - I have misplaced your email address. I'll send you the GL package.

Remember - A GREAT Flexbone coach showed me that there are about 27 different options that can be run from an INFINITE number of formations. We can NEVER get into all of them. There are generalities I can share (the rest you will have to work out for yourselves).

This is BASIC vs BOTH Splitback Veer, & the Wishbone (I got this from Erk Russell who won National Titles in his Flexbone): He was a GREAT teacher of GL (ask TIGER-1):

MAN SECONDARY:

------------------------------F------H
---Z-----------------------------Q
-------------------------Y-O-O-C
-----C------------------R-E
----------------------S-----B

R (OLB) & S have a read on TE: NOTE: on backside if there is a TE & no WR - backside Corner plays like S in above example.

R = TIGHT 9. S = 1 1/2 yds outs. TE & 2-3 yds deep):

1. TE blocks down = R tackles 6 hole (PROBABLY dive back). S has pitch on option and dump pass to TE who will not be permitted an inside release by R). (R MUST keep TE from blocking LBer).

2. TE reaches outside = R works outside & has pitch. S has QB on option.

3. E butts R = R plays a 9 & forces TE towards ball. S reads ball.

4. ILB reads play. On wide veer path - shuffle towards 6 hole. After checking dive - attack the QB IMMEDIATELY. On tight veer path - work from dive to QB to pitch.

5. Corner plays TOUGH INSIDE MAN & will NOT let the WR in to crack, etc.

Cannot type anymore on this. Email me if you need more detail. IF you rep the HELL out of this - you will be VERY SOUND on option.


NOTE: If Z motioned to crack S - C would close down with him - make a "CRACK" call to S - & attack pitch IMMEDIATELY. S would turn & "ear hole" the WR! S is always our TOUGHEST OLB. We have ALSO turned S's back (by align) to the crack - drawing a clip! There are some VERY GOOD STUNTS (changeups) such as CRASHING S inside hard toward the near hip of the near B & with R "holding" TE, etc.

ENJOY!

Here is some thing I have been toying with as a man goal-line D:

Vs. Pro

...................H
...................F
..................Q....................Z
X.........T.G.C.G.T.Y
.......9.W..3..0..3..S..9
C..........B.........B...............C

Vs. double-tight:


...................H
...................F
..................Q....................Z
........X.T.G.C.G.T.Y
.......9.W..3..0..3..S..9
........C..B.........B...............C

Vs. TE trips:

...................F

..................Q.............H.......Z
X.........T.G.C.G.T.Y
.........5...3..0..3..S..9
C..........B.........B........W.......C

The OLBs would align in a 6 or 7 tech. if they have a free corner behind them, they will shoot the C-gap, if not they will have the TE man-to-man. Against trips, WLB would be the adjuster (unless the off side has a TE in which case the CB would adjust).

CBs have #1 unless forced over by formation

This is not unlike to ODP but I have moved the DTs to 3 techs to shore up the middle vs. a QB sneak. Obviously, you would still need a tough kid at nose.

This is still a work in progress. Any thoughts?

Coach Scott,
It looks strong up the middle and your adjustments are simple to various formatins. I like it!

stoptherun

Thanks. Any different formations you see as problematic to adjust to? How would you attack this say 1st and goal from the 5? Anyone?

Bill is 100 percent correct when he said ERK RUSSEL wsa a defensive master on the goal line! Once asked him why he did not work something out to alleviate himself being a man short on the backside and he told me he was going with the percentages that most teams are going to concentrate and run behind their strength down close and I think he was very much correct! The game lost a great coach upon his demise of a few years ago.

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

Buddy didn't adjust his BEAR 46 vs that formation like that - it's altogether different. He "MATCHED UP" in his Cover 1. All I can tell you is that you have to be able to ADJUST vs ALL formations. It must be simple & understandable. When Buddy Ryan spent a day with our staff - MUCH of it was adjusting the BEAR 46 to various formations.

I know how BUDDY does it, & would be glad to forward it to you via email or discuss via phone. There is no way to explain it by typing - it is too deep!

PS: I've seen the BEARE 46 2-3 times a year since 1985, but, as to the option weak - OT down blocks the 3, OG folds on LBer (who is frozen when the QB backs out 2 steps before attacking the DE), & QB options DE! Also: how do you get by on the GL 2-gapping the Nose? QB sneaks would be devastating!

ALSO: We flex H out 5 yds 50% of the time in that formation. It WEAKENS the defense to that side not only in coverage - but runs to that side as well. We do not pull the G & T on Counter/Power. we pull the G & EITHER H or Y (depending on formation).

These are just my observations! Best wishes!

Darrell - hope you get something out of the Buddy Ryan material I sent. That is how he writes up his ADJUSTMENTS in his playbook. MUST BE SIMPLE & CONSISTENT. He used the "Cover 1/Match Up".

You got it!