Midline vs 5-2 Monster

cornidiot,

ISV would be better wouldn't it? PSG combos with nose to BSLB, PST release to PSLB, read 4i for give, 9 for pitch.

The problem with the midline is that it's only good vs. a 3 technique when the 3 technique is the first playside defensive lineman. Other than that, it's a tough play to run. If you do not get a 3 technique that is the first playside defensive lineman, you have to drive/reach at the point of attack to make the play work. I started running midline back in 1998 when very few others were running it, and have drawn the conclusion that statistically, it's a short-term solution to running the triple option. It's a play that you need better personnel than your opponent to run (when you don't get the 3 tech. as your 1st playside lineman) and in my OPINION, that defeats the whole purpose of running the triple option.

The veer is the play that you can beat people with execution instead of personnel, because you 1. block the fewest people possible; 2. conflict the force player/force players to beat blocks in order to stop the dive (they can't do both-- if read key takes dive and pitch key takes QB... the ball is pitched outside the force-- if read key takes QB and pitch key takes pitch... blocked defenders must stop the dive-- the defense can't ever be right).

I went on bit of a tangent there, but after studying run offense with Steelers' OL coach Larry Zierlein and others, I found that midline is not a long-term answer to an effective run offense due to relying on probability for success.

My advice-- run the veer. It can be run vs. ANYTHING!

Coach Scott

Can we run ISV to a 4i or is the read too close. What about the tackles release?

We are a 12-14 yr old team running option for the first year. So we are not proficient yet. The good news is we are the first in this league to run option and no one knows how to defend it yet.

Thanks

APN

Lou

We run option on me. Complete audible system for all of our option plays. So we can adjust at the line to the look. Stunts will give us a problem though.

Assuming that our center is better than their nose. Is running to a nose and a 4i not feasible with midline?

Thanks for your help.


APN

Coach Scott

What should the aiming point of the FB be? Still outside leg of the guard or should he tighten so we get an easier read from the 4i tackle?

Thanks for your help

APN

Any chance that a 4i tackle could take both the QB and the dive back?

(If the dive back is running just to his inside.)

I learned from Jim McNally, Bills Offensive Line coach, that if you get a 4i, the gap must DIE! This means that if you get a 4i, the split between the guard and the tackle must go foot to foot in order to make that 4i technique become a 3 technique. I would then run inside veer.

If a defense gives you a 4i you can TECHNICALLY still run midline if your fullback reads the center's block on the nose, you arc release your offensive tackle to the C gap defender, and base everyone else; however, after ten years of running midline and, coincidentally, preparing for a team that runs midline this week (Bucknell), I know that if you are going to run midline successfully without getting a 3 technique to be the 1st playside DL, you need better people to make midline work in a consistent manner. In my opinion, this completely defeats the purpose of running the triple option, because true triple option coaches don't run the midline to look FANCY... they run it because they BLOCK FEWER DEFENDERS AND THEY CAN EFFICIENTLY MOVE THE BALL WITHOUT SUPERIOR PEOPLE.

I hope I answered your questions and welcome further discussion on this topic.

LOU,

What is Jim saying when he says they must go foot to foot? Wouldn't that screw up the ISV running lane?
What am I failing to see in his statement? It seems to me that if your trying to reduce a 4i to a 3, the guard would EXPAND not REDUCE. If he does that, it can only give the LB's a bigger gap to shoot through.
Help me out here with his thinking if you can find the time, I know your busy.

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

Coach Easton

I know you have a lot of experience with this offense. Is there any way you wold consider breaking down some tape of one of our games to tell me how to coach these kids (12-14) better?

Andy

LOU,

THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY. IF HE EVER LETS YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW OK? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND AGAIN GOOD LUCK AGAINST BUCKNEEL TOMORROW.

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

Coach Easton

WOW Thank you very much!

Do you want a VCR or a DVD?

No need to return it by the way I'll just make an extra copy.

Andy

Coach Easton

I have some in AVI format that you would have to view on your computer. Do you have a dvd reader?

Andy

Coach Easton

I was wondering if you received the videos.


TY

APN

Coach Cella
What do you like to run vs. a double eagle front? i.e. 5-2 with the tackles in loose 3s with Cover 2 behind it.