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optionfootball Member Posts: 62	Counters Sept 27, 2007 7:16:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by optionfootball on Sept 27, 2007 7:16:23 GMT There was a post the other day about counter trey out of flexbone that did not get much reponse. How many of you run counters other than counter option? What counters do you run? Thanks is advance for any responses.
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kc361 Member Posts: 175	Counters Sept 27, 2007 7:56:05 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by kc361 on Sept 27, 2007 7:56:05 GMT Coach, Our counters... FB Trap HB Counter (inside handoff) Counter Option Other backside plays... ISV Reverse ISV P/A to backside (slant, post, HB screen, etc.) kc

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Counters Sept 27, 2007 8:01:03 GMT

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Post by Coach Scott on Sept 27, 2007 8:01:03 GMT

Here is A (not THE) way to do it:

X.......T.G.C.G.T..........Y
.......H.......Q......W
.................F

Counter left:

H motion as on triple/load right, run pitch path
RG pull, kickout/log (trapper)
F jab step rt, lead block left
X crack first man off LOS to the inside
Q down line right, inside hand off to W
W take inside hand off from Q, read block of pulling RG

IMO, this is good call to the short-side if they are overplaying your motion and/or the wide side. Also, the relatively tight split of X should not tip them off if he is to the short side.

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Counters Sept 27, 2007 11:42:32 GMT

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Post by deafmute on Sept 27, 2007 11:42:32 GMT

the misdirection stuff we run has been gashin' opponents. we ran the counter trey last week for 2 tds and all our big gains. we ran counter just like counter out of doubles spread. looks like isv to the right. rt hb over the top and cuts inside. gt kicks and rolls the hole. very tight play. we were breaking it right up the gut. we also run counter iso. we go no motion out of this. we also run this out of bone. we also run buck sweep pulling just the guards. counter, counter iso, and buck all are the same with the backs, just different with the front. these plays have opened up the veer big time, because it keeps the backers honest and cant key our fb every play.

Lou Cella Senior Member Posts: 1,486	Counters Sept 27, 2007 18:33:57 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Lou Cella on Sept 27, 2007 18:33:57 GMT Counteroption is the only counter that Navy runs. It's too hard to do other things because 1. against certain fronts you can't block everyone; 2. the splits are too wide. If you are going to counter off the veer, the counter option is the way to go.
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optionfootball Member Posts: 62	Counters Sept 28, 2007 6:02:15 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by optionfootball on Sept 28, 2007 6:02:15 GMT Coach Cella, Can you explain the blocking scheme and backfield action used by Navy on the counter option? Thanks.
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Lou Cella Senior Member Posts: 1,486	Counters Sept 28, 2007 19:01:52 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Lou Cella on Sept 28, 2007 19:01:52 GMT Coach, here you go. PSE- Stalk PSB- 2-step mo, arc block ILB to FS PT- Down-Veer PG- Down-Veer C- Down-Veer BG- Pull and log 5 tech. BT- Down BSB- veer path BSE- Crack QB- Fake veer, get depth with opposite foot, run pitch route FB- Veer path
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optionfootball Member Posts: 62	Counters Oct 1, 2007 7:34:02 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by optionfootball on Oct 1, 2007 7:34:02 GMT Thanks!!
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Counters Oct 11, 2007 9:57:53 GMT

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Post by wc76 on Oct 11, 2007 9:57:53 GMT

We run counter trey with the slot who is in motion stopping his motion behind the F and becoming the ball carrier after the Q fakes veer. Also run "sally" vs. hard charging upfield defenses. And the final counter we run is a backside pop to the TE; which is especially good vs. a backside LB who pursues veer action quickly. Motion and run veer action to the right...Q flash fakes to F and looks back to the TE (who is aligned to the left) TE sits in the hole that the backside LB vacated when he pursued eer action.

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Post by optionfootball on Sept 27, 2007 7:16:23 GMT

Post by kc361 on Sept 27, 2007 7:56:05 GMT

Post by Coach Scott on Sept 27, 2007 8:01:03 GMT

Post by deafmute on Sept 27, 2007 11:42:32 GMT

Post by Lou Cella on Sept 27, 2007 18:33:57 GMT

Post by optionfootball on Sept 28, 2007 6:02:15 GMT

Post by Lou Cella on Sept 28, 2007 19:01:52 GMT

Post by optionfootball on Oct 1, 2007 7:34:02 GMT

Post by wc76 on Oct 11, 2007 9:57:53 GMT

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