Counter Pass

You DID NOT say if the QB boots on the edge, or drops back off the fake. This is IMPORTANT because if he tries to attack the edge - you MUST pull him up quick.

GENERALLY speaking (from ANY defense) the best thing vs PLAY ACTION of any sort is to go man & bring HEAT!

Tackle the FB.

You can bring pressure off the edge & man up all receivers. I don't use the 3-43, but perhaps this will give you "food for thought" I'm sure you have a good pressure element from your 3-3 - particularly off the edges (if you don't have one - email me at: billmountjoy@yahoo.com - I have some of the Air Force 3-3).

We play the Delaware Wing-T WAGGLE as below. It is an awesome play if you DON'T have someone on both the FB & the QB: You will see the QB & FB are accounted for - plus we are bringing HEAT!

“4-3 LIGHTNING/COVER 0” (vs. Wing-T):


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O-----------O-------O
----O-O-O-C-O-O---------------O
R--E----T----T---E—W

SS---------M

-----C--------------FS-----------C


ROVER = Line up in gap between Wing & TE. On the movement of the ball - shoot inside off hip of TE & then flat down the LOS behind the heels of the O-Line. D Gap responsibility. Wrong shoulder any inside/out block. NOTE: If Wing motions away – contain rush (no wrong shoulder). QB on WAGGLE.

DE (Wing Side) = 6 technique head up on TE. On the movement of the ball - shoot off hip of OT & then flat down the line behind the heels of the O-Line. C Gap responsibility. Wrong shoulder any inside/out block.

DT (Wing Side) = Conventional 3 technique – outside shoulder of OG. B Gap responsibility. Wrong shoulder traps.

DT (SE Side) = Conventional 1 technique – inside shoulder of OG. A Gap responsibility.

DE (Split End side) = 4 technique head up on OT. On the movement of the ball – shoot off hip of OG & then flat down the line behind the heels of the O-Line. B gap responsibility. Wrong shoulder any inside/out block.

WILL = line up on outside shoulder of TB (on the LOS). Go through outside shoulder of TB. Contain technique. C Gap responsibility. QB on WAGGLE.

S/S = line up on Wing at a depth of 3-4 yds. Squeeze-Contain if Wing blocks Rover. Cover Wing M/M on all passes UNLESS he motions away – then you have the FB M/M (WAGGLE).

Mike = Line up 3 yds deep straddling Center’s leg to Wing/TE side. You have strongside A gap on plays to you (stay at home if you lose sight of the ball thru mis-direction). If the play goes away – cautious inside/out pursuit. Cover FB M/M on show pass (you may tackle him on his fake on WAGGLE pass).

Corners = line up 7 yds deep on inside shoulder of TE & SE. Cover him M/M. NOTE: Corner on TE side fills vs. run if TE blocks.

F/S = Line up 7 yds deep on inside shoulder of TB. Cover him M/M UNLESS he goes to opposite side – then you have the FB M/M (on WAGGLE). NOTE: Fill vs. run if TB blocks.

Is there a way on here to draw it up?

I have the 2003 Air Force playbook, I wonder how much it changed? Nice resource for you though!!!

Suggest vs bootlegs, waggles, etc - that you put QUICK pressure on the QB by bringing the widest standup men (whatever you call them) & "man up" on everybody else.

Pressure off the edges has LONG been considered the way to go vs PLAY ACTION. Tom Olividatti ("DC" under the Dolphins while Shula was HFC) wrote a great article about "DEFENDING VARIOUS PASSING GAME CONCEPTS" & he says that "WITHOUT A DOUBT - YOU NEED TO BRING EDGE PRESSURE VS AGILE QB'S WHO PLAY ACTION & TRY TO GET TO THE EDGE"!

I understand the philosophy but what I would be concerned about is the guys pulling. If they just get a piece of that spur, you are off to the races. How would you defend the FB?

HS- I and understand "squeeze contain", I think I just don't express my whole thought when I type and it seems half hazard. I was not in disagreement at all, I am always concerned with numbers. I do not like to be out numbered at the point of attack and was thinking if he breaks loose will he have safety help in the alley. I would have to cover the FB with my spur because my linebacker is who I would want for squeeze contain, not from a philosophy just the type of kids I have in those positions.

So, of course you have to attack the Q.B. We see enough ISV, OSV, and flexbone that if you did not, it would make for some long nights. Another rule of ours (and I don't know who else does this) is that the outside rusher has back on a swing out. Now, that FB creates a conflict for whoever I am sending to squeeze contain. We have not seen this play nor do we see much pro I but after finding the play that was described, I am wanting to know how you guys would deal with it and if we scheme it the same. In the original post, I thoght right away that the FB was coming THROUGH the line, which we see a lot. That is why I found a playbook and a diagram to make sure I was understanding the play. That is why I asked if he could diagram it on this site. I did not mean to diagram the defense, I was just wanting to get a clear picture of the offensive play. When I asked the question, I was referring back to the original question on the thread. NOw the outside rusher rule I got from James Vint at a Glazier clinic last year, it was something that I thought would simplify our rules, now I am rethinking that rule. It has worked well so far but, I see the weakness.

What is your deal? I am not arguing that fact at all!! You imply that I don't know what I am talking about when I ask about the spur? It is because coverage dictates that I was wondering. But thanks for the history lesson all the same.

Best wishes to you too

Jimmy - I don't have a CLUE what a "SPUR" is - that's not MY term.

Forget it!

Lou - I'll be in touch - GOOD POST!

How are they protecting on this play?



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..Z.....................Q
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If the weak G & T pull and the FB goes out in the flat, how are they able to protect on the weak-side? Does the center come all the way down the line for your DT? It seems to me your DT should be eating this up.