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Coaches, a topic a couple of years ago was posted about not teaching DB's to backpeddle because of time issues, that they had to many other things to work on. It was quite a long discussion on the subject. Were they teaching the turn and run or something else? Lets talk.
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Nov 15, 2007 8:17:56 GMT
I have no idea what the person was teaching, but not teaching a DB how to backpedal because of too many other things to teach them is like not teaching a QB proper throwing mechanics because there are too many other things to teach. Every single practice day as a college DB started with backpedal and break drills. NFL DBs start practices with backpedal and break drills. Basics are basics at any position and they need to be reviewed at all levels on a regular basis so they are second nature.
If it's a time contraint issue, then the coach who started the thread needs to rethink either his practice planning or his priorities. Now, if it's a technique thing, that's a whole different story.
We have a team in our division who teaches aligning to the outside of the WR with shoulders perpendicular with the LOS and side shuffling at the snap to get the read and then react depending on the play. If it's pass they shuffle back until their cushion is broken, then they turn and run. I'm not a big fan of this at the HS level because it gives an easy throwing lane for slants and short hooks, the easist throws to make. I like to challenge HS QBs to try to throw the out and fade by aligning inside. Make them make the tough throw. There aren't a lot of them out there that can make it on a regular basis. The shuffle I'm not a fan of b/c it gets shoulders not square to the LOS which in my opinion makes it more difficult to take on a WR block on the run.
If the original poster is teaching the shuffle technique due to time, that doesn't make sense either because it would still need to be practiced and repped in order for the players to have good form and know how to make good reads.
The general idea here is that no matter what philosophy you buy into, you need to use practice time to get the reps in so it is second nature. Sloppy footwork in the secondary will hurt you like in no other position.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
Love this topic.....
Had a coach tell me the other day that the backpedal and chop step has gone the way of the T-Rex and it wasnt useful anymore. Oh really??? Well we use it and love it. My kids do not like the t-bone, t-stick or whatever you wanna call it and quite frankly nor do I. We have no problems with fall downs, re-directs and all the common problems these guys associate with the backpedal. We play in a league in Hoover, Alabama with all these "system" teams and I wouldnt teach anything else. Now if I had a kid that liked the t-stick and felt mroe better using, then by all means go ahead. Not gonna limit my kids to what I think they should do. If they feel good doing it then let them.
Bet the coach that told you that baloney won't win many games. Former griffin safety tells it EXACTLY like it is. Any DB, especially the CB's that don't work to perfect their back peddle skills, is being cheated by his coach. How long does he think that kid will last in college, if he happens to be a player and gets to play at the college level? He will be so far behind, and that is a real shame to do a kid that way!
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
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Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Nov 21, 2007 6:27:31 GMT
I feel compelled to add this to this discussion, basically because I don't want this thread to die. I have changed my philosophy on alignment from when I started coaching due to experience and discussions with other coaches. Coming out of college I liked outside leverage on alignment because that was what I was taught in college. Take away the deep out and the fade and force the WR to the FS and LB help by alignment. I would try to take the short throws away with LBs or press coverage. That took too much focus off the run for the LBs. HS QBs can't make those throws as often as college QBS though. HS kids don't make defensive reads as quickly as college players, so they guess and they cheat and that gets them out of position. The college game is MUCH different from the HS game and I didn't realize that enough until I was coaching for a few years. Take the easy throws away in HS by aligning inside, break to the deep out while the ball is in the air for a long time, and leave your LBs to really focus first on the run. I was flexible enough to change and lucky enough to have an excellent coach as the Varsity DC to discuss ideas with. Anyone else have ideas on this?
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
Play are not made Defensively by back Pedaling...Plays are made when and DB turns and runs while being in Phase with the Receiver, adn by jumping routes....A DB needs to know the leverage(splits) of a Receiver, the concept(where he has help/where he does not) of the coverage that is being called....when you site off at 7-8yds and bail out, what are you defending??:light;
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Nov 26, 2007 5:47:13 GMT
Maybe plays aren't made while backpedaling. However, having a good footwork will lead to being able to turn and run, break on a ball, and transition to defending the run well. And, as I said earlier, I think the BP lends itself to being able to take on a blocking WR better than the shuffle tech. I never used the word bail either. I define bailing as taking off deep right away, even cheating the snap to get deep. The DBs take 3/4 speed bp steps to read for the first 3 steps. However, we teach our corners that their primary job in our base defense is to not get beat deep. They are pass first, over the top defenders. We do like them to be able to tackle and make good run reads as well. That's why we spend a lot of time on reading pass/run keys in practice.
The other ideas you talk about (concept, WR leverage), those are moot if the DB has poor footwork and can't tell the difference between a run and a pass. Concept and WR leverage are part of our teaching progression. They are just down the line and they get reinforced during 7 on 7 and team defensive periods and don't require a time period during practice except for during preseason when we don't do much team defense.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
ALL of this is predicated on whether you are teaching man OR zone. In MAN - you HAVE to backpedal because it is important to stay SQUARE until the receiver breaks your cushion. In zone - you can "skate" as opposed to backpedal IF YOU WISH.
We believe in backpedalling in BOTH because it prevents the QB from picking up on the tip offered buy the change.
In Canada, the leauge I coach in has entred a transition period where the good teams have finally adopted strong passing games. We play teams that throw 80-85% of the time they run out of spread, shotgun, pistol ace and single back sets. We also have the teams who still run 80% of the time in CFL style football this boggles my mind.
But because teams are putting it up in the air this debate has drifted North of the 49th. I always always teach our guys backpedal, read steps to que the qb drop, thn weave to maintain leverage. We line our CB 6-7yrds off the ball outside leverage n c-1 and inside in c-0 shade can also change depending on wr position in relaion to the field. Backpedal is key for a db in the Canadian game as our field is so large. One coac had posted that we need to know leverage points and route jumping this is true but that is the easy part the hard part is getting in position. You asked what are you defending 6-7yards off? We do this to take away the deep ball force the short throw, rely on quickness and fundementals (breaks & reads) to jump the short route. We play 3 down football so if a team wants to nickle and dime it for 3 yards on a hitch each down this is what we want. We stick to the reciver on 1st and 2nd then they punt us the football.
There are teams that have gone to clinics in the States and now are starting to run their CB tight to the line in press coverage inside shade, we see this and throw the fade on this untill the coach pulls the kid or changes the coverage. We were down by 21 at the half and were tied 10 min into the 3rd.
I also teach, 2 press techniques hard and soft press, we use the hard press for goaline, or c-2 man/zone or our Nickle c-2,3,4. The soft press is used in our cloud coverage out of either our base or nickle sets.
Long post short, backpedal is key to initial coaching with db's, you use this to keep the player square to the LOS and maintain shade/leverage on the WR, this allows the db to get in and out of the break quickly and close the gap betwen him and the WR so that he can do the great things like jump the route or funnel in coverage. The other stuff, press tech canbe put in later once the basics are taught.