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Does anyone run their 4-2-5 with a 9 tech DE (OLB moved inside to a 70) instead of a 7 or 6 tech DE as a base? What are the limitations to doing this? Where could the offense hurt us? We are not very big at DE and want to avoid an easy down block by the TE on the Power - something we see quite a bit or atleast make him block us in space. Should this D be considered or too many bubbles? Thanks!
In my humble opinion, the alignment you describe gives the offense a big bubble, as well as blocking angles on everyone from the frontside OLB all the way back.
Putting the DE on the insde eye of the TE limits what the offense can do, as well as limits the number of blocking schemes the DE will see. PLUS, puting the DE in a 7 and the DT in a 3 helps protect the LB if he is head-on the OT (who can get a clean shot at him???).
If your DE's are not very big, align them in 7's and have them pinch to the butt of the OT; this will create havoc. We did this when the bigger of our DE's was about 175 lbs. We told the DE to run through the OT's hip. If the OT came at you, put a shoulder on his hip drive him into the hole or create a pile. If the OT fired out or blocked away, flatten out and get to the ball. It worked for us. Just my two cents.
I OTEN DO THIS FROM OUR 4-2-5 WHEN THEY ARE HURTING US OFF TACKLE WHERE THE DEFENSE IS MOST VULNERABLE. I MOVE THE 7 TO A 9, MOVE THE TIGER BACK (SS) TO A 70, LEAVE THE 3 WHERE HE IS. ROLL UP THE CB'S HARD AS ALWAYS WITH INSIDE LEVERAGE TO TAKE AWAY THE QUICK SLANT WHERE YOU HAVE MOVED THE TIGER BACK FROM.
Coach Esaton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Move the SS/OLB to a 70 as Coach Easton suggests OR all the way up on the LOS to a 7 tech. If you are in man, he is in good position to cover that TE and, more importantly, to keep him from inside releasing to block. Many blitz/stunt possibilities from this look too (similar to what 46 teams do). IF in zone, he can still get to the flat or you can send him and have the 9 tech DE drop to the flat (should not be a problem for a small athletic DE). Only my 2 cents of course.
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
If you put him on the LOS as a 7 tech, you then give up the quick slant where he would normally be. You don't want to play crash end- drop end football anymore as the DE is far more efective coming after the QB off the edge.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
If you put him on the LOS as a 7 tech, you then give up the quick slant where he would normally be. You don't want to play crash end- drop end football anymore as the DE is far more efective coming after the QB off the edge.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
Coach Easton,
Questions:
1) If you are playing man with inside leverage, that should take away the slant, right?
2) If you are playing something else and he is moved inside to a 70 tech. you may be giving up the slant anyhow, unless it is a fairly tight alignment by the WR. Most teams will (wisely) not try to run the slant to a WR with a tight split anyway. Where am I going wrong?
Also, if they are hurting you with the three step game, you can rotate your coverage now and again to dissuade them from doing so.
The DE dropping to a zone is more of a change up than an every down plan. I think it still has merit when used on that basis. If they are leaving the TE in to block the 9 tech. and the tackle is preoccupied with the 3 tech. the walked up OLB/SS can sometimes get through clean. More importantly, it is a very good run blitz, IMO. You may disagree, of course.
-Scott
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
IF THEY PLAY HARD MAN ON THE # 1 WR THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WOULD BE YES, BUT IF THEY DON'T ON THE # 2 RECEIVER ON THE SAME SIDE (TRIPS) IT IS ALWAYS WIDE OPEN (QUICK SLANT).
I OFTEN RUN A QUICK SLANT FROM A WR FLEXED ONLY TO 5 YDS OFF THE TACKLE, AND DEFEND AGAINST TEAMS THAT DO THE SAME THING, WHY DO YOU SAY MOST TEAMS DO NOT DO THAT?
WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
BUT, YOU HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW COACH AND ARE COMFORTABLE COACHING, MORE THAN MY WAY TO SKIN A CAT. WHAT EVER WORKS BEST FOR YOU, GO FOR IT.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Man free coverage would fit well with that front but I like it better from the 70 tech ss instead of the 7 tech simply because if the TE releases to the flat the 9 tech may get in the way of the ss following him to the flat. My thinking was to still play man from the 70 tech but only cover the TE on a release outside the DE leaving the FS to play deep middle. If TE releases inside the DE collision him and turn him over to the FS and look for RB out of the backfield.
this eliminates your bubble to the frontside. If he releases outside the 80 would take him and the 70 would blitz the C gap. If he release inside the 80 can blitz off the edge and the 70 can take him. the 20 and 30 tech would have back out of the back field. FS can rotate back to the middle of the field on pass and play run support on runs weak. Vs. 2 tight ends and 2 backs the corner would just come in and play the TE man for man. If he blocks down on the 5 the corner would play as a 9 tech DE. 30 tech needs to fill hard on iso and force it back to the 20 tech.
By playing the FS to the weakside instead of in the middle of the field will allow you to spill contain even when you are in man cover.
ACCORDING TO YOUR DIAGRAM, I WOULD PUT THE FLANKER IN MOTION TO THE LIZ SIDE, FLOOD BOTH BACKS TO THE LIZ SIDE, ROLL THE QB THAT WAY AND TELL HIM TO TAKE HIS PICK OF RECEIVERS.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
We LOVE to play the 4-4 with the DE in a loose 9 (or 8) & COMING! We only do this in COVER 1 because we put the OLB in a 7 technique on the TE (whom he covers M/M IN Cov. 1)! VERY EFFECTIVE change up in the 4-4!
Coach easton If you motion and we are in man then we will corners over. Not knowing you sprint out protection the 5 tech would play the QB on sprint out. FS is still over the top. 70 or 80 gives us a 5 rusher. Now it comes down to jimmy's and joe's. If you can block my joes you win if not I win.
YOUR RIGHT COACH, GO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW. But, I would love to play teams that try to cover our QB's with a 5 tech. Unless he is a Javon Kerse type, we should win that one most of the time. Just my opinion as always. Thanks for your input, it is what makes a discussion a discussion.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
We ran a 4-3 with the DE in a wide 9 or a wide 5 on the open side and had very good luck with it. The key to doing well though was that they penetrated every snap. They lined up in a tilt and "skinned" the butt of the widest down lineman, with the aiming point of the FB's down hand. The OLB keyed his first step off the TE's or OT's hat. If the TE blocked down, the DE had C gap and the OLB worked over the top to D gap. If the TE turned out, the OLB stepped up into C gap and played the flow he saw. The OT generally did not get to Our OLB because the 3 tech was skinning the guard's butt too. If the OT came out after the backer we had a big boy running around loose in the backfield. The nose played from a 2i and took A gap. Putting him in a 2i helped reduce the trap on the 3 tech by making the nose harder to reach and pressuring the guard. The whole idea was to make the O-linemen declare their blocks by putting pressure on them and filling the gaps with LB's and a supporting Safety. The corners played halves and got help from the safety away from the flow. Using safety support helped shut down the iso at the OLBs and gave us a very solid run stopper.
The OLBs had to have good speed to get to the flat, but by keeping their drops level at 5-7 yards they were close enough to handle flats and screens.
The DEs had to be decent sized and aggressive athletes because they often had to "blow up" a FB or OL, but by penetrating with speed they made those collisions on the offense's side of the ball and tended to get there before their opponent had a really good head of steam up. Usually they gave rather than received a big collision.
Coach, we've started using a split 4-4 scheme and believe it gives us quite an advantage at the high school level. I've been coaching high school football for fifteen years, and the statistics I've kept indicate that teams in Arizona (Phoenix metro) run the ball roughly 75 percent of the time. We want to force teams to throw the ball, which most are not proficient at doing. We run cover-three until we are forced not to run it. In those rare cases we run covers zero, one, and two man under.
Tackles - 3 tech. (solidify b-gap; then, read near back)
Ends - align 1/2 yard outside the last offensive lineman (contain players)
ILBs - 4.5 yards off the line - A-gap players (read near back - near back goes away, eyes snap to far back
Strong outside lb - head up on the tight end with C-gap responsbility (best defensive player)
Weak outsdie lb - 2x2 off the offensive tackle (read near back)
We see this pretty often and it is solid against a pro I which we used to run, we went to the spread last year and taking those OLB out of the box really seemed to make them uncomfortable, we were able to turn it into essentially a 4-2 and ran the ball very well against it, usually the OLB are the guys that went out w/our slots and as they were usually the defense's best players getting them out of the box helped a lot. We also had success in the past w/ double tight 3 back sets. Anything in between those 2 extremes we had trouble running.
Post by swilliams1959 on Jun 26, 2008 21:13:36 GMT
Simply put, if you are running 4-4 aka 4-2-5 keep your DE in a 7 tech as a base. Even with an inferior player that is taught to get down on double teams or even a down block from a TE the off tackle hole is shut down. Using a DE in a 7 tech as your base shuts down the off tackle hole but makes you vulnerable to stretch and toss. (the first play in my offensive game plan to attack the 4-4). I would not swap responsibilities with the OBer to stop the off tackle hole. I would swap responsibilitiesf with the DE and the OBer to stop the outside run. Then it becomes a guessing game which is the part of the game that makes it fun.