DE vs Zone Read

Have the DE's STAY SQURE AS THEY STEP ACROSS THE LOS, READY TO SHED ANY BLOCK, AND FORCE THE BALL CARRIER TO STAY WIDE.

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

COACH, REMEMBER THAT A QB RUNNING THE OSV IS TAUGHT THAT THERE ARE ONLY 3 THINGS A DE CAN DO TO HIM: 1. PLAY HARD AND FORCE HIM TO PITCH RIGHT NOW- PLAY SLOW AND STRING HIM OUT- GO TO PITCH. WHEN BEING PLAYED SLOW HE IS TAUGHT TO READ THE DE'S FEET AND WHEN HE
STOPS AND STARTS HIS WEIGHT FORWARD FOR THE TACKLE IS WHEN YOUR BOY CUT'S IT UP, IF NOT SOONER AS THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENT'S ITS'ELF. THAT IS WHEN YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR SS/SAM BACKER IN THE RIGHT SPOT TO CREAM HIM!!!

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

HEY MERVIN,

I guess it can, but my thinking is that the object of the OSZ is to get the DLM's moving laterally while the OSV has other priorities. Just my opinion as always and I appreciate your point of view.

Coach Easton-TIGER ONE

HEY BILL,

I NEVER HEARD OF THAT TECHNIQUE BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. I don't know about "just sitting there" as someone is coming to block him for sure. Your opinion?

Jerry

A good compliment for the DE "sitting there" against zone read is the long trap. The trap is run to the same side as the running back is aligned. Say for instance our RB is aligned to our offensive left. His footwork and the quarterback's footwork will look like we are running an inside zone play to our right, but we are in fact running a long trap to our left. Our playside tackle and guard double team the playside DT to LB, Center fills for the pullng backside guard, backside guard kicks out the DE and backside tackle takes an angle to backside LB. The running back makes a cut and attacks playside B gap once the exchange is made. Those DE's that are just standing around trying to confuse the QB usually don't even see the kickout block coming.

Pa. St. (Paterno) gave me the idea of playing the DE "static". Confuses QB - he's not sure WHAT to do on "zone read". DE would "wrong shoulder" traps his way.

Also a good idea to play the "under" side of your defense opposite the side the RB aligns.

scott, your right about not blocking the BSDE, MY BAD
Jerry

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Originally posted by: Buice
On the trap play I mentioned the QB is still reading the DE we are trying to kick out, so if he comes inside to wrong arm the trap, the QB can pull the ball and run where he used to be. We haven't gotten that read very often though, since most of the DE's we see just sit there and the give becomes a good play for us.

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Buice,

If you get this look, as Coach Mountjoy suggests (and I agree) is the way to go:


.......B.....B
...5.....1....3..5
.....T.G.C.G.T

...........Q.R

Will you still "long trap" the 5 tech or will you trap the 3 tech? If you trap the 5 tech, do you need a reach block on the 3 to make it work? If not, how do you account for the PSLB?

-Scott

Caveman,

Against that defense our tackle and guard would double team the 3 tech to the PSLB and we would still kick out the 5 tech. The reason we like this play is because the footwork at the snap of both the RB and the playside G and T would be the same as if we were running ISZ to our left.

My personal opinion is that you need to continually change up where you set the 3 tech and 1 tech, because while that alignment makes the long trap more difficult it does open up blocking angles for other plays. I feel that if the OC can predict your alignment pretty consistently they will call plays that are more difficult for you to defend from that position.

I don't understand, what happens if the DE wrong arms the kickout block and the QB pulls and replaces him? Isn't this the exact same result as if the DE had chased the zone read play and the QB pulled it and replaced him? The ILB has a running back running right at him so he has to respect that, and if the OLB gets blocked it seems like the QB will get a big gain.

QB runs option AWAY from the set RB in his backfield. Only the DE to the SIDE of the RB has to worry about QB pulling ball. The zone (OR trap) goes to the opposte side RB lines up so the DE to THAT side does not have to sweat the QB (& can play or trap aggressively).

Phone if you would like to conhtinue this discussion. This is the BUSIEST TIME OF THE YEAR for football coaches (practice has begun) & there is no time for typing! 804-378-0116 (up to 10 PM/EDT).

the reason he can play static is because of the depth of the back in the Gun. It doesn't hit as quick as undercenter. If you are trapping the DE to the weakside and he wrong arms then there is sometype of secondary support. either a cover 2 corner, cover 4 safety, or cover 3 LB. If QB pulls this guy should be free to tackle him, If QB give this guy should be free tackle the running back.

What you haven't addressed buice is how you are going to control the outside invert force defender. Here is were all the bells and whistle come into play. Like bubble screen and having a pitch back to make it triple option. This is what the spread offense is all about first spreading the field to create favorable numbers in the box, and second isolating a defender in space.

Zone read is just another way to control the BSDE in the zone run game. Not different then QB boot, fake reverse, or using some one to block him.