Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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The formation itself is legal, U can't be eligible. In federation rules you need 5 men on the line of scrimmage with numbers between 50 and 79, 7 on the LOS total. In addition, in order to receive a pass a player must be eligible by formation AND number. Since he is covered he is ineligible by formation and you wouldn't have enough people with ineligible numbers anyway, assuming x is also an eligible number.
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Oct 1, 2008 5:27:47 GMT
It is not legal the way it is drawn up. However if U had an ineligible # or the Y was a T it would be. If the Y was actually a T it would be totally legal, but the U wouldn't be able to go downfield on a pass play or catch a pass.
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Not up on all the high school rules these days. At our level, if an elgible number is covered by another elgible number it is not a legal formation and a penalty is assessed against the offense. This happens most often when a TE is covered by a flexed WR.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
The only way that is legal with both U and Y having eligible #'s is in a kick formation (QB would have to be 7+ yds off the LOS)--that's what that ridiculous A-11 offense is based on.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
In my opinion, yes, football is a game of preparation and out-strategizing your opponent, but in the end, the players have to be able to play the game. Football has been about the players, the team--not about the coaches. The beauty of this game is the fact that no one player can do everything on his own. A team that works together is stronger than the sum of its part. It's the ultimate team game. The rules on formations are so that the game remains about the players and not about gimmicks and isolation.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
But isn't that one of the biggest elements of football. Strategy? Preparation? Preparing to out think and out smart your opponent? I understand it's a team sport and it's about the players and not the coaches. But as a football player on Defense your goal is to stop the player in the opposite jersey in front of you at all costs obviously without causing intentional physical harm and such. On Offense your job is to score simple as that. So why not make it more interesting why can't I see 3 Lineman covering 1 Receiver and 4 guys on the line in front of the QB with 2 Running backs behind him. Coach Easton himself has said it, you stop thin line formations by blitzing and blitzing some more. So it's not like it is an impossible task to defend or develop a scheme to stop any formation. That's just my opinion and all.
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I see your point, but at the same time, I guess I feel that doing that would turn the game into nothing but a sandlot game. Maybe that's not a bad thing...I like that there are some basic guidelines that everyone has to abide by. Thinking about it as an offensive coach, it would be fantastic to have so much flexibility, but as a defensive coach--I'd have to spend all my time showing formations, and adjusting to that. I would not have time to teach technique, reads and keys, etc. I feel in the long-run, you then are developing simple athletes, not football players.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
quote: Originally posted by: WDeister But isn't that one of the biggest elements of football. Strategy? Preparation? Preparing to out think and out smart your opponent? I understand it's a team sport and it's about the players and not the coaches. But as a football player on Defense your goal is to stop the player in the opposite jersey in front of you at all costs obviously without causing intentional physical harm and such. On Offense your job is to score simple as that. So why not make it more interesting why can't I see 3 Lineman covering 1 Receiver and 4 guys on the line in front of the QB with 2 Running backs behind him. Coach Easton himself has said it, you stop thin line formations by blitzing and blitzing some more. So it's not like it is an impossible task to defend or develop a scheme to stop any formation. That's just my opinion and all.
We do not need to tear up the rule book to be creative, here is what you described drawn up within the current rules:
Check out what Wes Ellrod (or Karjaw from this board) does with formations. Part of the fun, IMO, is drawing up plays and formations in accordance with the rules that everyone must adhere to. I guess you could play chess where any of the pieces can go in any direction, but is it still chess?
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
You seem to be overlooking the main ingredient in WINNING FOOTBALL. It has very little to do with schemeing, and about 99% about EXECUTION. The scheme doesn't win, the execution of the scheme is what wins for you. In my opinion what needs more "evolution" is ways to improve EXECUTION, NOT SCHEMES. I AM TOTALLY CONVINCED IF I HAD THE RIGHT PLAYERS I COULD STILL WIN TODAY WITH THE OLD T-FORMATION AND A FULL HOUSE BACKFIELD, OR THE SINGLE WING, OR ANY OTHER OUTDATED OFFENSE YOU CARE TO MENTION PROVIDED THE PLAYERS COULD EXECUTE IT CORRECTLY.
Just my opinion as always.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
quote: Originally posted by: CavemanWe do not need to tear up the rule book to be creative, here is what you described drawn up within the current rules:
Check out what Wes Ellrod (or Karjaw from this board) does with formations. Part of the fun, IMO, is drawing up plays and formations in accordance with the rules that everyone must adhere to. I guess you could play chess where any of the pieces can go in any direction, but is it still chess?
The version of Chess you just described was invented by Bobby Fischer to break away from the predictability of high level Chess games.
Winning isn't everything, but wanting to is.
"Winners NEVER Cheat, Cheaters NEVER Win... Cheaters rot in Hell." The Hazelton - 09/17/08
Agree 100% coach Easton. My opinion has always been that your scheme is certainly capable of losing the game but it will never win the game by itself. We have a team in our league that we can stand on the sideline and call out exactly what they are going to run based on down and distance and formation, but they are one of the best teams in the region every year and have won several state championships. It's not because they invented something amazing, its because they are able to teach their kids how to block, tackle, and execute the gameplan.
Scheme is important, but players make the plays--and football is about the players on the field, period. I always tell players who dream up some "fantastic" play that works every time in Madden that although being innovative is great--there is not much innovation left. It's all re-working what's been done before--because it worked the first time! Urban Meyer's offense isn't anything new--it was being run in some form or another by countless teams decades ago. I like your comment Buice, that scheme won't win you anything, but it sure can lose it. Well said.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
I LIKE WHAT ONE BACK HAS SAID MANY TIMES; IF THERE WAS THE PERFECT SCHEME WE WOULD ALL BE USING THE SAME THING AND THEN THERE WOULD STILL ONLY BE 50% WINNERS.
Coach Easton-TIGER ONE
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE