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Interesting situation Dec 15, 2008 9:55:47 GMT

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Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Dec 15, 2008 9:55:47 GMT

I'm in an odd situation for next season and I was wondering what some of you think. I became the JV HC on the second day of practice this past season due to the previous guy suffering a heart attack the night after the first practice. However, there had been no indication during the season that this would be a temporary move. The HC always refered to me as the JV HC when talking to others and to me. The thing that started to get me thinking was that he refered to me as the Interim HC at our banquet a few weeks ago. Now, maybe it was in deference to the other guy b/c he was at the banquet as well. (He has recovered tremendously and is back teaching for his 37th year.) Earlier today the Varsity HC mentioned something about not knowing what he was going to do with the JV staff this year, saying he doesn't know if the old HC was coming back to coaching. And if he was, would he want his old position back. I feel a little uncertain about where I am right now. I know I made a few mistakes this season, but I think I've learned from them. I really want to stay in this position. The modified coach and I have worked together to set up a lifting program for the kids moving from 8th grade up to JV. The Varsity HC has said he recognizes what I've done, but I think he feels he would have to give the other guy his position back if he wants it, for both legal and gentlemanly reasons. I understand that, but I really want to stay in the JV HC role and would be a little disappointed being moved back to the assistant position I was in previously. What does anybody else think of this position?

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Interesting situation Dec 15, 2008 11:40:45 GMT

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Post by jrkelly on Dec 15, 2008 11:40:45 GMT

Legalities are not an issue (at least in my experience) for something like this. I would guess that you and he are paid the same stipend, subject, possibly to longevity. Officially, to the school, you are both working as assistants to the football program. At times, I've seen JV staff paid a certain level and varsity another, but I've never seen or heard of contracts that discriminate the JV "head" for a certain pay level and the JV "assistants" receiving another level. Usually those coaches' specific responsibilities are up to the HC's discretion. I would imagine your program HC feels much the same way as you do. If the other coach is in his 37th year, he is going to be retiring in the coming years. However, I would imagine it is tough to "reassign" a guy who has been loyal to the program for decades. I don't think there's much you can do about it, and it will be a balancing act for your HC. I would be surprised if there's legal implications to it, though. It's a tough situation, but in the end, your HC needs to do what he thinks is both ethically right and what is the best for the future of the program. I think all you can do is tell him you want to stay in the position, what you've learned and will improve upon, and then you'll have to do what is right for you from there.

Ryan Kelly
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Austin High School
Austin, MN

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Interesting situation Dec 16, 2008 15:24:45 GMT

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Post by CYFL Coach on Dec 16, 2008 15:24:45 GMT

Coach,

I would try to pick the best time possible and sit down with your Head Coach over a beer (or beverage of your choice) and talk things over with him. If he feels awkwardly about the situation involving the former coach, it will give him an opportunity to lay things out for you. Best of luck.

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frmrgriffinsafety
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Interesting situation Dec 17, 2008 5:37:15 GMT

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Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Dec 17, 2008 5:37:15 GMT

Ryan,
There are different stipends for the JV Head and JV Assistants here. But, that's not the issue. Yeah, the extra $$$ was nice this season, but none of us coach for the $$$. You know how it is when you finally become a head coach for the first time. You're running the show, doing things your way and such. It's just nice. I know I was the JV guy and I had to run the systems that are run on the Varsity level, but everything else was done how I had envisioned doing them. It sounds selfish, but everyone who is coaching has a plan for how they want to run things and has been planning it out since they started. It was just nice to get try the things I wanted to try and see how it went. The coaches have a night out planned for this weekend. I'll talk to him then about the situation. Thanks for the words, Ryan and Dave. Happy Holidays!!

Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.

Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years

Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years

"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden

"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi

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Interesting situation Dec 18, 2008 5:50:40 GMT

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Post by jrkelly on Dec 18, 2008 5:50:40 GMT

I know exactly how you feel. It is tough once you have reached some sort of "high point" or goal in your coaching, it is tough to take what feels like a step back. And no, none of us are going to become independently wealthy on our 65 cents an hour we make coaching, and I'm surprised that there is that difference in pay. Anyhow good luck with this situation, and frankly, maybe your best advice is from Coach Hartman--talk it out over a beer!

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Austin High School
Austin, MN

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