Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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I'd like to hear how people play kickout blocks with their force players. For example, a 9 tech. DE who is responsible for force who sees a kickout block coming on something like counter or power. Some teams try to stay at the line of scrimmage and collide the kickout with their inside shoulder, squeezing the running lane, while it seems that other teams get upfield and force the action a little sooner, but leave the possibility of getting run underneath. What have you coaches found does or doesn't work in this situation?
We try to collison as soon as possible, we don't try to spill, we always try to keep the play inside as much as possible, we have found that we rarely get too far upfield and give an inside running lane, it could be because we are just so slow we never move that far. We don't generally have big enough kids to take on a pulling guard or a good FB on a kickout without a pretty good running start.
If my DE's are playing their techniques correctly, they should be reading the downblock in front of them, coming off the OT/TE's hip and blowing up that kickout before it gets started. This creates a pile in the hole, the lead blocker is unable to get through, and our LB's now have more time to scrape and fill.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
Adding to jrkelly's technique...we have been of the mind of not just reading the OT/TE but making solid contact to their outside shoulder...be physical...this not only throws them off a double team block and/or their route to our LB's. It also places the DE in a better position to squeeze any kickout and create that pile. We also teach keeping the outside shoulder free as they are contain players. They don't have to make the tackle to make the play. That contact with the offensive player brings another aspect to the kickout block. Without the contact I have found that the DE has more of a tendency to get upfield too far making the kickout block that much easier to make...hence more of a hole to run through.
Thanks, gridiron. I totally agree. We teach our DL to initiate contact with the OL--with their hands. It helps with reading that downblock, and coming off of it.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Jan 13, 2009 5:50:57 GMT
We don't use our DEs as force players. Our OLBs do that job. Our DEs read the V of the OT or TE in front of them and if the OT or TE is downblocking, the DE gets his hands on the OT's outside shoulder and rides him hard, squeezing the hole. He'll then wrongarm the kickout and spill the play to our OLB who will have outside force with our ILBs scraping from the inside to cut off the cutback lane. Our DEs are taught not to get upfield until they read pass. It can be a difficult process in teaching this at the lower levels with so many highlight sacks that the kids see on tv. They want to get upfield to get a sack. But, if everyone does their job and noone tries to be a hero, someone will be free to make the tackle without being blocked.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
We definitely stress getting hands on the TE or T that we are lined up across from and staying at the heel depth of the oline against the down block. We call this a "rake" technique and it is what the colts d tackle got called for defensive holding for the other week (bad call in my opinion).
My question was really about taking on the actual kickout block itself. I am looking for another technique to compare to shuffling down the line of scrimmage and colliding the kickout with your inside shoulder.
Watching the NFL it seems like those guys get up the field then actually leave their feet and try to dive behind the block, making a tackle below the waist. I realize that is much more feasible at that level because of how athletic the DE/OLB's are, and that they are primarily concerned with rushing the passer, which is why they are so far upfield. I'm just curious what other techniques people use, or if boxing in the kickout with your inside shoulder is pretty universally accepted.
Griffin, how would you treat a kickout block if you were in man coverage? Aren't you concerned that your OLB could easily get run off in man coverage and you would spill the play to nobody? We spill the play if we are in zone coverage, but I'm trying to decide how what technique we will use when we are in man.
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Jan 16, 2009 9:16:02 GMT
We man up maybe 3-4 times per game. If we're in man, we're sending 7 or 8 guys and the penetration should get there on a kickout play.
However, if we weren't sending that many and still in man, our OLB is taught to head to the outside heels of where the DE lined up with flow of both backs to C gap or wider. The playside ILB will be in position to get to the spilled back. If the back bounces violently backwards to avoid the ILB and give himself room to outrun him to the sideline, that would give the OLB and C on that side time to react to the run and help defense it.
I don't know what defense you run. We run a 4-4 with a lot of robber coverage and we got our LB reads and fits from CW Post. They have an excellent set of defensive DVDs. It has worked for us with the system we already had in place and with the type of kids we have on our team.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
We run the same defense, we used the CW Post installation videos too. But heading into year 3 of running this defense, we have decided to make some changes to it as well as our philosophy. We want to run more man coverage on passing downs and put pressure on the QB to make uncomfortable throws.
Ideally we won't be playing man coverage when teams are running counters and powers but I'm sure it will happen. The other thing that has caused us problems is getting logged on rollout plays because of our bend technique. We pursue with the ILB but I'm not convinced that actually forces the QB to throw before he is really ready to. I'm just trying to figure out a technique I can give these guys when we are in man coverage where they can get in the QB's face on rollout plays and still be in a decent position to defend a G kick or counter type of play.
I am a 3-4 guy, and we teahc our 9 tech to collision the TE who is atttempting to block down. Not only with hands, stress physically moving the feet and kind of replace the TE's position. If the collision is good enough, then right at the time the 9 tech releases the TE, the pulling guard should be there. Stress grabbing grass, staying square, DO NOT TURN THE SHOULDERS. I actually drill this with our kids. I usually find the smallest 9 tech, and have a big pulling guard pull to kick him out. By using the proper technique, it shows the player that regardless of the guy who is pullings size, they wont move all that much
Coach D
Philly suburb HS
"The only players I have hurt with my words are ones who have an inflated opinion on their ability" - Bill Parcells
We tell our 9 techs or anyone for that matter when they get a down block as an OLB or Dlinemen they ride that offensive linemen to the next adjacent shade, then come off and "Near Arm" if they are the force defender or "Wrong Arm" if they are a spill player.
But riding those linemen is huge dont let them get up to the LB's