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Its been a while since I last posted (tough semester), so I'll re-introduce myself a little before I begin:
I am currently a division three college football player and pre-med student at a small liberal arts school in Michigan. I am leaning towards going into coaching as opposed to my original plan ~ going to med school and becoming a psychiatrist. However, I would like to be able to do a little bit of both in my career...
I am passionate about helping kids, and I am passionate about the game of football, but I am not sure I would be passionate about teaching any specific subject matter at the high school level. If I had to teach I would get my masters in education with 6-12 certification in social studies or physical/health education. But like I said, I am just not that sure I would be completely satisfied in that role.
So, lately I have been thinking about getting a specialist degree and becoming a school psychologist instead (or maybe counselor...though I would prefer the former). It seems like it would be an ideal combination for a high school football coach...so long as I was actually working in the high school itself. But I have never known or even heard of anyone that has done the same.
...Does anyone know if something like this would even be possible!?
Thank you very much for any help you may be able to provide!!
Sincerely,
Blueadams
"Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all the others." - Winston Churchill
I do not know if you realize this, but doctors generally not work very long hours, especially if they do not wish to. If you were an orthopedist or some such, you could easily instruct your office not to schedule any appointments after 3:00 pm during the season or whatever. You would have to talk to someone about when you are "on call" if at all, but I doubt that would be an insurmountable obstacle. BECOMING a doctor is difficult and time consuming. I believe "TD4TC" on this board in an MD. Maybe you should reach out to him.
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
School psychologists may or may not be under the same contract as the teachers, but they are considered district employees just the same (in my experience). Many are independently contracted, but I don't see why you would not be able to coach. Guidance counselors are under the same contract as teachers--but do not spend the majority of their time counseling--they spend most of their time doing paperwork, scheduling, and being a go-between for angry parents who don't want to directly talk to their kid's teachers. They are under the same bargaining unit as teachers in every district I've ever heard of--that goes for coaching as well.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
I suppose that as a doctor i might EVENTUALLY have the time to coach - but 5 years of medical school + 2 years of residency + 6 years of special psychiatry training , that's at least 13 years where I'll be too busy to even watch a football game on television!!! I'll be 35 by the time I actually start working as a psychiatrist and who knows how long it'll be until I can actually start setting my own hours.
It'll be hard to get back in the game after that much time off. The way football schemes are rapidly changing nowadays, who knows how far out of the loop I could be. Plus, not being an actual employee of the school district, it'll be pretty darn hard to ever achieve my dream of becoming a head high school coach (though I would also love just being an assistant under a good head coach!!!).
I suppose that a better option along those lines might be to get my PhD in clinical psychology, as that usually only takes about 5 years. It pays a LOT less, but I'd still be doing what I want to do, and I might even be able to work as a graduate assistant along the way. I could open up my own practice, set my own hours, and really focus on football around the Fall. It'd still be tough to get a HC'ing position, but like I said, I just want to be a part of the game!!
I guess that school psychology or school counseling would be the way to go if I wanted to be a head coach...but I've heard that those jobs can be sort of dissapointing - lots of paper work, student scheduling, etc. Maybe if I really proved myself as a great assistant I'd be able to land a head coaching job at a private school or something!?
decisions...decisions...
Thanks a lot for the input guys!
Sincerely,
Blue
"Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all the others." - Winston Churchill
school psych's don't have anything to do with scheduling unless it has to do with the mental health of a particular student. School psychologists are there to deal with the "big" issues in a student's life--such as physical or substance abuse, tragedy, evals for special ed, etc. School counselors deal with the scheduling and the "What am I going to do now that my girl/boy friend broke up with me after two months?" type issues.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
That sounds much better! Its really hard to find good information on the web about school psychologists - as its sort of an emerging field. I may just have to job-shadow one or something the next time I get a chance.
"Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all the others." - Winston Churchill
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Coach Jason
Coach Varsity level football in Florida.
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It might be a stretch here but most schools in our area dont have school psychologists, they have guidance counselors. The district might have a psychologist on staff but they would bounce from school to school based upon student needs. I'm sure larger cities are different because of the number of students involved. I have to chuckle a bit as he said he would be 35 years of age by then.
Son (and I am old enough to use the term), I love your enthusiasm for the game and your passion to be a coach. Neither am I one to crush a young mans dream. However, if you are that close to being called Doctor, I'd say wait the years obtain the knowledge that you still desire and then decide. At 35 you'll be plenty young enough to get with a School District and be able to pursue both assisting young people with overcoming personal issues, as well as, coaching young men at football.
Never give up the passion or opportunity to become a Doctor, especially in a field so wide open as psychology.
At least then, as Coach, when you say some kids "a bit off" and the parents say what are some kind of Doctor? you can look them square in the eye and say "why yes, yes I am!" LOL
Seriously
Good Luck!!!
Its not about how much YOU know about the game, its about how much you share that knowledge with the people around you.