Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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Is anyone running the 4-2-5 at the varsity level? We run a muliple front 4-4 and will not have a lot of talanted or frankly smart kids coming into camp this year. I can put in this 4-2-5 with a simple call and tag.
M/N 2i
T/E 4
W/S 40
R/D 4x4 adjusted to their speed
F-Centerfield or shaded to strength 6-8 yards
Cs-8-10 outside shoulder of #1
Thinking about using the front 6 much like a 3-3 stack, all six coming hard through a gap. This way I let some of our more agressive kids fly around without thinking. Putting my stud at F and my next two studs at R and D.
What worries me is that it is too agressive for the varsity level except when used as a change up. Am also worried about getting trapped with being this agressive. Coverage would be zone with R/D-Flats, F-mid centerfield, and Cs having deep 1/2s.
Rush package N/E/W side but M/S/T would have the same package and make the call on the field.
OUT
N-B gap
T-C gap
W-A gap
In
N-A gap
E-B gap
W-C gap
Split
N-A gap
E-C gap
W-B gap
This would have to part of our overall package so I have to keep it really simple. Any comments or advice would be appreciated.
As drawn up I would ISO, Guard Trap, IS Veer and Midline the defense to death from a Spread Formation. My thinking is that you would be better served with a stacked 3-3-5 or a 3-5-3. My thinking is I only need three "Solid" Defensive linemen
4-0-4 the TNT's and In/Out with your ISLB's. You can slant Opposites from that front as well.
LB.....LB......LB......LB.....LB
..........T........N........T...........
A lot of the decision depends on how many Linemen, LB, and Db's I have. If I am going to run with 5 DB's they had better be solid tacklers as they will be making a lot of tackles.
Just food for thought
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We used to run a "wide" 44, but ran it much like a 42. We had our tackles in a 3 and 2i, ILB's over the guards, and the OLB's 4 x 4, or even 5 x 5 at times. When we had a solid DL (not necessarily fantastic), it worked very well. My only problem with the defense is that it was not able to be highly aggressive. We had to do very little in terms of adjusting to teams' approaches.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
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I would think your F would have to be pretty darn good to make a play on off tackle lead from the I before we got 3-4 yds. I also think you'd be in trouble from any quick hitters up the middle. I think if we were running anything off tackle and caught you in an out stunt we'd get an awful lot of yards. Pretty easy on paper to combo the tackle to the stacked backer. Also, if we're in the spread and your corners are 8-10 off the ball and your OLB's are inside of our #2 receivers I'd be throwing the ball to #2 all day and make your OLB try to chase down the shallow out route. All that being said, it's easy to draw up stuff to beat a defense on Wednesday morning in front of the computer.
Not trying to pile on, but you may want to tweak this a bit.
If they run off-tackle strong and pull the BSG, you can even block the FS. As mentioned above, Trap, Iso, ISV are all trouble as is PA off any of the above with the FS tight and coming up.
Also, even if he is the best athlete in the school, the FS will have no chance from that depth if they throw 4 verts.
What you have drawn up is like a Tampa 2 but with corners deep and safeties up. IF you want to run Tampa 2, it is typically done like this:
Safeties have deep half
CBs have flat but will go vertical with #1 if need be (a few ways to teach this, but if #1 and #2 go vertical CB must help deep)
OLBs have an underneath drop to their side (most likely curl)
MLB is the "short center fielder" that you want.
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
Thanks for the input. We are in a bind this year, have a lot of returning seniors but not much talent or the ability to think on the run. To top it off, out of necessity, I have to take over the defense and am an offensive guy. Consensus among the staff is we need to go to an odd front this year. With our current system I can get a 5-2 looks fairly easy and somewhat of a 5-3 look (if I move kids around some). I have wanted to explore the 3-3 over the past couple of years but it is something we would have to put in that is contrary to our system. I could go with the 3-3 by backing off the ends but would have to change personnel and I am looking for something I can call and use the kids on the field.
My gut feeling is also that you can be very good with the 3-3 but you are going to have a huge learning curve. Not sure I am ready to experience that learning curve. It would be different if we had more talent, but we are so slow it isn’t funny. Our fastest kid (that will be eligible for the first six weeks) timed out at 5.1, and I am not talking about overweight linemen. I am sure with the summer program we can get that down some, but you know the saying “you can’t chicken salad out of chicken s^&*.
If you can run a 50 front, you can do a 30 front as well. imho its easier to find 3 decent linemen than it is 5. However, speed does play a factor. I am also curious to know why you think having so many DB's would be beneficial given your "speed dilemma"
I would also assert that 40 speed doesnt measure much but the ability to break away. I personally would reassess using their 20 yard speed as that is more a measure of how quickly they can close on a play. If my Bigs are quick for 10 and my LB's are good for 20, you can make a fairly respectable defense with them.
When it boils right down to it a 3-3 Stack can be a 6 man front. If you use slants and in/out calls you can cover A-C gap and you would still have 5 to contain/ cover with. Take a look at Pittsburg's 3-4 it is essentially a 3-5 because they are constantly walking the SS up into the play.
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Another thing to consider is what types of offense you see the most of during the season. If you are seeing power I week after week a 3-3 isn't going to be any better than a 5-3, if you are seeing spread, having 2 big DE on the field along with 3 big DL might not be much help for you.
No you are right, I realized thinking yesterday that I am trying to scheme too much.
We will do 20 and 10 dash times probably at the end of Jun so I will have a better idea then but really do have a pretty good idea what they will look like. I am pretty sure we can get 5-6 kids that are smaller d/b type kids down to fairly respectable times by the time the season starts that was part of my reasoning. More so was the fact I want the kids to be able to attack without having to think to much on the run.
The nice part is I have refamilarized myself with a number of different options and we can experiement at the camp and see what works and what doesn't.
That why we currently run a muliple front 4-4 because we see so many different offenses here. But the team to beat year in and year out is a wing t team that will spread it out quite a bit. We will also see a perverted DW (although he is getting better every year), split backs, couple of pro sets ect. Because of the UNR influance I'm hearing we will see one or maybe two pistol offenses this year.
A couple of teams we won't know about until the season starts.