lets talk doublewing!

Originally posted by: CoachNick
First off, the doublewing is different than other wing offenses in a number of ways. The dw should always have a double team at the point of attack and two pullers (backside guard, and tackle). (THERE ARE OTHERS: SPLITS, FULLBACK SNIFFING, SUPER POWER--QB LEADING ON POWER)


If your crashing your 9 tech the sweep will be there, and don't forget about the reverse, and the PASS. The double wing is more versatile than you think. It has 4 verticals in the two wings and two tight ends. Unless you are simply better, and can overwhelm the doublw wing it is truly UNSTOPPABLE!!!

Originally posted by: allisojh
Double Wing Offense. We treat it like a flexbone.

I will somewhat agree with Coach Nick by saying I think is the hardest offense to defense because we have to play ASSIGNMENT FOOTBALL ALL GAME!!! Not the Greatest offense because if it was EVERYONE WOULD PLAY IT. We all want to win every game and if there was ONE "BEST" OFFENSE, I would learn it and install it and win teh next 20 state championships. But... I will say its the toughest to defend for a few reasons. BUT... if you got the "berries" you can run anything and win. The secret to offense and defense is learning ONE offense inside and out so you have ALL the answers when the shit hits the fan. Know what your weaknesses are and knowing what to do if your best laid play does not work!!!!!

My two reasons on why this is the toughest offense to defend.
1. Not many people run this offense so its tough to get the scout team ready and we the coaches don't see it much. Example... when you play 5 Wing-T teams, it get easy to practice and you can learn to defend it because you will see it a lot.
2. RESPONSIBILITY football. One kid blows it and its 6. 48 minutes. you can stop, stop, stop, then one kid has a brain fart, or decides to be a hero, and BAM, it pops for 6.

But...... I believe, every OC that I have seen at the HS level has HUGE, HUGE, HUGE tendencies with this offense. Even with the big boys.... Navy, GT, Air Force have tendencies when you watch them. They run 8-10 different formations trying to get the defense confused and they still have tendencies. Paul Johnson says all the time how he only has about 5-6 plays but when you factor in each play has a pass off of it and a counter off of it then you add unbalanced, shifts, etc.. into it, it can be very confusing for a 17 year old kid or defensive coaches that try to develop defenses and fronts to match every single formation, and have a bunch of differnent coverages, blitzes, etc... they want to run. It just becomes too much and the Double wing/flexbone guys have you right where they want you.

Our philosophy whey playing this offense:
1. 2 maybe 3 fronts MAX that you can align to ANY formation easliy
2. One coverage
3. Any blitzes must be auto's off of motion or alignment. If you try to "call" it, you will be sorry sometime in the game.
4. DESTROY the QB every chance you get. Lets see them run it with their backup especially if they run option, shift, etc.... I BEG for them to run the QB or have him lead block. We will DESTROY him every chance we get!!!!!

KISS is the secret to defending Nick's offense. Prep'em and rep'em. Have your JV coaches assign certain kids to play the Wings and FB, practice some formations and types of motions. It will make it a bit easier come monday with all the confusion the scout team will give you. Its tough enough to defend alone minus your own scout team aligning wrong every play.

I believe the key to defending this offense (I call it more a formation than an offense) is outnumbering them at the point of attack which is tough to do by alignment. If you outflank them, the bubble is inside, if you load up inside, they run outside. But.... motion sets them in a chain of events and no motion only leaves them with 2-3 plays. Your FS can give you the added man you need. USE HIM TO DEFEND THE RUN!!!!!!!!!

I will preface this by saying we are a Multiple 8-man front. 425 is our base defense and 33 stack is our change up.

We play our 425 defense against this becuase of the off tackle, power plays, waggles, etc... they run. We do have odd looks but we use our 425 personnel.

33 Eagle Flow is our base look we run against Double Wing/Flexbone offenses. We ALWAYS move T/N and B/B around in different allignments. S/E, both spurs, both corners, and the Jesse pretty much stay where they are against all 2x2 sets and the Jesse is the adjustor against any trips.

Prefix = S/E alignment (no prefix S=7 tech, E=5/7 tech)
Number = T/N alignment
1st suffix = backer's alignment
2nd suffix = blitz or coverage. In this case Flow is the coverage. The bitzes are auto's based on motion

33 Eagle Flow (7-Diamond)

..............................F
...............W............Q............W
..................E..T..G..C..G..T..E
.........$........S....T...B...N.....E.......$
.................C..........B...........C
.............................J

Here goes, and this is pretty much the same for ALL OF OUR FRONTS:

NO MOTION
Wedge, FB/QB Trap, Qb Keeper, Pass, maybe speed option, what am I missing play wise?
1. Up backer (2pt stance at heel depth) fires Left A-gap, stack backer plays other A
2. T/N fire B gaps bending with their Guard
3. S/E fire C gaps bending with their Tackle
4. Spurs play whoever releases outside for pass (Pattern Read)
5. Corners play whoever releases inside for pass (Pattern Read)
6. Jesse plays Free TO wher the FB releases so we always have 3 to a side.
If its some sort of Speed option:
B/B = QB
T/N = QB to Pitch
S/E = QB to Pitch
$ = QB to Pitch
J = QB to Pitch
C = Pitch

Wing Motion
The whole cookbook except 4 verts.
1. Up backer shoots TO the motion, stack backer plays other A
2. T/N fire B gaps bending with their Guard veer or pull
3. S/E fire C gaps bending with their Tackle veer ot pull
4. $ will blitz and attack the motion (Rocket, Jet, Fade, Zoom) and play M/M. Motion away $ will SIT for counter
5. Corners will play Wing M/M if motion to, if he blocks down fill off D/C gap, TE if motion away and stay home for counter.
6. J will play TE to motion side, if TE blocks down fill off D/C gap.
Option responsibilities:
B/B = Dive (stack backer will play Dive to QB)
T/N = Dive to QB
S/E = Dive to QB
$ = Pitch
J = QB to Pitch
C = Pitch

A few other fronts we use against this type offense.


11 Power Flow (Gap-8)

..............................F
...............W............Q............W
..................E..T..G..C..G..T..E
............$.....S..B...T...N...B..E.....$
.................C...........J............C
S/E Fire off of OT hip through C-gap
T/H Fire A-gaps
B/B Fire B-gaps



22 Stack Flow (44 stack)

..............................F
...............W............Q............W
..................E..T..G..C..G..T..E
..........$.......S.....T.......N.....E.......$
.................C......B.......B.....C
.............................J

Our kids love this look because we let the T/B and N/B coordinate with each other on which gap the linemen rip into. S/E fire off OT's hip. It ends up being 11 Power Flow at the snap BUT... the offense has no idea where the backers and the DT's are firing. Really F's with the guards and the OC's for that matter.

I invite some discussion, I love talking football and defending a wonderful offense like this. defending Spread, I, Wing T is so boring now.

Nick, two questions:
1. Where and what level do you coach? Youth, Freshman, JV, Varsity and are you the o-coordinator?
2. IF its the greatest offense like you say, why don't you run it any longer? That seems odd when you are so excited about the Double Wing? I don't get it.

Holy Cross High School Delran NJ. I coach freshman football. I am the o coordinator. We ran it my first year. I loved it. We got a new head coach, and he runs the I pro with multiple formations. He is an excelllent coach. One of the best in south Jersey if you ask me. (you'll see his name in the years to come Frank Holmes) He has allowed me to keep some of my concepts, but just run the I. I can go double tight, and have the double teams and pullers. As an assistant you have to be loyal, and do what the head coach wants. I am not going to run something he tells me not to. That is disrespectful. However he has given me some leeway. We ran the stack I some this year with the tight splits and double teams and kicked ass with it.

P.S. YOUR STACK FLOW LOOK WITH NO NOSE GUARD ID WEDGE THE HELL OUT OF YOU WITH XX MOTION BEHIND IT!!!!!

Originally posted by: greenough
Congratulations on your undefeated season CoachNick. Just out of curiousity, what happens if the defense gets penetration and your pulling guard gets caught in the crap forcing the tackle to try to get around him? What if the DL on the side the pullers come from is taught to chase them down and does what he is supposed to? What do you do against the okie dog pinch? What do you do if you get a holding call on 3rd down to make it 3rd and 12?

Originally posted by: allisojh
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