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jrkelly
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Here's one for you coaches.... Jul 7, 2009 17:57:29 GMT

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Post by jrkelly on Jul 7, 2009 17:57:29 GMT

Ok everyone. I would love to hear input on this. I've got the possibility of two jobs.

Job 1: School I was with last year, offensive coordinator with nearly total autonomy. All but guaranteed the head job after this year. Problem is, the school has been horrible for years, and is going to have a long, difficult road to respectability. There is no guarantee that there is actually a light at the end of the tunnel at this time, but I think it could be a good place in time.

Job 2: Possible defensive coordinator under a living legend coach in a program that will be a winning program in a few years. The man is very well respected, has at least one state championship, and has turned around a couple of other programs in his 30 years of coaching. He is a member of the state Hall of Fame, and would be a good guy to work under. Head coaching possibility is 50/50 in future years (could be 1, could be 10) as there is a young coach who they are high on as well.

I am pretty torn here.

Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN

There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.

JFLCOACH
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Here's one for you coaches.... Jul 7, 2009 20:04:02 GMT

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Post by JFLCOACH on Jul 7, 2009 20:04:02 GMT

JRK:

My thoughts are really based on how comfortable you are in your own skin (Program wise). If you are comfortable with being the OC and taking over the helm next season and your confident that what you bring to the table will turn this program around in 3-5 years, I would jump at the opportunity. The thing to remember about taking over as head coach is to surround yourself with bright, eager, people. At my stage in life I would take the HC opportunity with the total belief that I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Conversely, the opportunity to coach under a great coach is nothing to be sneezed at. But the fact that you already know that he is grooming another to take his place and one who already has the eyes of the AD and Boosters really means that you will have to like coaching under him at some point in time. If your ready to do that and hope another opportunity comes along in the mean time, go for it.

Since you already know the likely outcome taking over as the DC. I guess the deciding factor for me would be what is the expectation of the AD, Board, and Boosters (if any) for the first scenario? If they are unrealistic, "Pie in the Sky" let them find someone to fall on that sword. If they are willing to take on a 3-5 year endeavor to scrap and rebuild, then I think you have a great opportunity.

JMHO

Its not about how much YOU know about the game, its about how much you share that knowledge with the people around you.

Coach Campbell Forum Owners Welcome to JCFB.com website and Forum Posts: 7,957	Here's one for you coaches.... Jul 7, 2009 20:06:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Coach Campbell on Jul 7, 2009 20:06:24 GMT Coach go with you second option because if you do a good job a create a great relationship with the head coach and because he is so connected that will help you move into a more established program. Coach CAmpbell

jrkelly
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Here's one for you coaches.... Jul 7, 2009 21:52:20 GMT

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Post by jrkelly on Jul 7, 2009 21:52:20 GMT

Interestingly enough...I interviewed for the HC at job #2 and came in 2nd to the guy who got it...I have a good resume, but not quite that. I don't think he's "grooming" anyone specifically, the AD just wanted him to be sure to keep on the other coach because he was a good young assistant for the outgoing coach. Job #1 has absolutely no misconceptions of what they are or where the program is. They would like it to be a viable program, but have not had one in many years. The coach now is a good guy, but not a great "football" guy. The job basically fell onto him a few years back when the coach before him decided he wanted to get out. The kids are hungry for some good coaching, but are getting tired of being a punchline.

Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN

There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.

JFLCOACH
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Here's one for you coaches.... Jul 7, 2009 23:00:37 GMT

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Post by JFLCOACH on Jul 7, 2009 23:00:37 GMT

Then the biggest disparity seems to be as Coach Campbell states. Doing a great job under Coach A can lead to opportunities and leads elsewhere on down the line. It certainly doesnt hurt to have a letter or the thumbs up from a well respected coach in your pocket when you find opportunity knocking. You have autonomy to run what you want I would imagine we will want input on skill spots?

If on the other hand you are a real thick skinned builder and have concrete doable ideas for an entire program, it certainly doesn't hurt ones resume to turn things around at an underachieving program either. Can you root out the bad influences and replace them regardless of the talent lost in the process? Do you have the stomach to bear with it cause it aint gunna be easy? Have you talked to any of the players at this school at all? Do they believe in themselves or have they given in to losing as their fate? Dont kid yourself, this is going to be a tough job with a lot of sleepless nights in the beginning. Their reputation is known and that could make it hard to find credible or experienced assistants to help you.

Your age and career goals also have a lot to do with your decision.

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CoachDfromPA
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Here's one for you coaches.... Jul 8, 2009 4:03:40 GMT

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Post by CoachDfromPA on Jul 8, 2009 4:03:40 GMT

Coach

just my two cents. I went from the DC of a very high profile football program in our state to the doormat the last couple years after taking a year off. Just my background.

I think that your decision should be based on your comfort with taking risks.

I will tell you that I think taking the second option would be your best choice. Here's why. That type of exposure under a recognizable head coach is a big thing. Having your name attached to that program and him as an ally can only help you going forward. I say this especially since you already came in second to a living legend, so in the school's eyes they already like what you brought to the table. Being a coach on that staff can only help you in getting that job when the current coach retires. And, if it doesnt work out there, you'll have good exposure on your resume for wherever else you apply.

If you were to take option 1 and for whatever reason you are unable to turn it around (even due to circumstances beyond your control) your name will still be attached to a losing, doormat program. You said it yourself the admin basically knows what they are and what they aren't as a program. To me, that questions whether they think a winning program is a priority, and will they give you what you need to turn things around? Only you can answer that.

BUT, the upside with this position is HUGE. If you ARE able to get the program respectable where many others have failed, then you can basically write your own ticket as to where you want to coach when you decide to move on.

Assess your risk level. Base you decision on that. Let us know how you make out. Good luck.

Coach D

Philly suburb HS

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Post by JFLCOACH on Jul 7, 2009 20:04:02 GMT

Post by Coach Campbell on Jul 7, 2009 20:06:24 GMT

Post by jrkelly on Jul 7, 2009 21:52:20 GMT

Post by JFLCOACH on Jul 7, 2009 23:00:37 GMT

Post by CoachDfromPA on Jul 8, 2009 4:03:40 GMT

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