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If we win this weekend, we will see a team that we lost to in the regular season with a GOOD RUNNER AT QB. They run a bit of speed option, but not too much and no triple.
He is an average passer (not even) with good receivers. They throw infrequently.
QB counter trey out of SG oneback sets is what hurt us last time. They also have a good FB and TB who hurt us (pretty good team all around).
We play a 50 more often than not but I would welcome any suggestions.
Hope everyone is having a good year. Thanks for any response.
-Scott
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
Launch men off the edge hard. ILB's read the guards, and OLB's cross-read the backfield. Play the run...if he can beat you with the pass, then they're better. Take away their best option.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
We run similiar stuff to what you mentioned, things that have given us problems are people lining up halfway between tackle and slot players and just bringing it on any type of run read at them, we also took some shots from teams running 5-2 cover 2 look, putting LB types at the safeties and just running the alley like mothers. Our slot players are WR types and they had trouble lots of time getting to those guys. We run spread option mostly, but our Q and our Rb were both good runners, we had more success against teams that had their ends playing the QB than teams that sent him to the FB and played LB and S to Q. We had lots of teams bring heat off the backside when our slot would run motion it would be an automatic blitz. The toughest team we ran against ran a 3-3 with the tackles head up on our T and the tendency side ILB walked up in the C gap. There are no real quick hitters out of the gun so they felt like they could still get to any inside runs and they just took away everything from b gap out. The tackle played dive, the ILB played Q and the spur took pitch.
1) SG oneback = shotgun with one back. They usually do so with at TE and sometimes with a TE to one side and a wing to the other.
2) When under center they like to run FB trap, power off-tackle (like power-O) and counter trey. In shotgun they like to have the RB cross the QBs face and give to him or run QB counter-trey off that action (they call it in the huddle, not zone read) and also speed option. They like to start in double-tight wishbone and scatter out of it, but they will not hesitate to run a play out the 'bone if the defense is not set up well to defend it (we have been using ODP against it so they rarely run from 'bone against us).
3) Their right side is better so they like to run that way and counter or trap left.
4) This game is held at a pro stadium with pro hash marks so ball will be near MOF most of the time. See #2
Thanks for your interest!
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
Originally posted by: jrkelly Launch men off the edge hard. ILB's read the guards, and OLB's cross-read the backfield. Play the run...if he can beat you with the pass, then they're better. Take away their best option.
Thanks. Out of what front and coverage? If I have 4 LBs and send one off each edge am I in a 4-4? 5-4?
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
Originally posted by: greenough we also took some shots from teams running 5-2 cover 2 look, putting LB types at the safeties and just running the alley like mothers.
That is what I have been leaning towards, but how about trips?
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
Very hard to suggest a defense without looking at film & getting a FEEL for them.
Couple of generalities:
#1 Adjust Base 50 (always best when you don't CHANGE a defensive philosophy).
#2 Consider "ROBBER" vs. TE sets to get an extra defender in the box on run. You can play COVER 1 & give F/S "ROBBER" responsibilities.
#3 Do you need to put a "SPY" on QB? You said he was top running threat?
Best Wishes!
PS: Quote by Nick Saban (Bama):
"The simplest and best defense in football is man-free coverage.
It covers everything, it stuffs the run, and it defends the middle of the field.
It’s the #1 coverage in pro ball ....basically because you can’t get away with playing Cover 3".
From the Gun the QB has to be reading something to determine Give/Keep. My guess is there is a Defensive linemen unblocked in the scheme as bait. If you want to limit the QB carry then that person has to go directly to the QB. With the Option your going to have to play the QB as well and force the pitch. Its up to you to stop the RB on the Cross face give and pitch. That is only if your main goal is to limit the number of times the QB carries the ball.
Coach Mountjoy Idea to put a Robber over the strong side also makes is difficult to release that TE. I would also suggest that the Robber be outside the formation in order to force the TE to adjust. At least that way you see real quick how well this kid blocks!
Its not about how much YOU know about the game, its about how much you share that knowledge with the people around you.
Play Quarters out of your 52 that way you can spill the ball to you your safeties or if you don't spill you can get 9 defenders in the box. You will also be able to use your base 50 defense
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one ILBER can play H/C the other can either rush or spy the QB, based on gameplan.
Ends have C/F and play apexed if #2 is detached.
Safeties read # 2 if he goes flat or drag the double #1 if he does anything else they zone the quarter.
Corners are essentially man to man on #1
Vs. 3x1 play the old dallas cowboys special adjustment. You can have the weak end double the #1 reciever weak or rush to cover on the back or you can have the ILB rush to cover on the back lots of options here base on game plan.
JFL, They actually do try and block everyone. I am 99% sure it is predetermined.
Coach Mountjoy, I am not planning to put a spy on him because he does not scramble or run QB draw so much as run designed plays. The QB counter trey out of shotgun hurt us the most. Actually, counter trey is their best play. They run it 12-15+ times per game out of multiple sets and with three (that I have seen) different ball-carriers (tail-back, tight slot or wingback, QB). We did well stopping the first two, but when they went to the gun with 3 WRs, it drew a man out and we could not get out fits right.
We need to win this week to even play them so I am turning my attention back to this week's opponent. I look forward to continuing the discussion if (when) we win.
-Scott
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
I'd run it out of a 44/42 look or out of a 33 stack. something that you're playing a C-3 to the trips side and pretty much man up on the back side. The 34 look that is posted above by Newguy would be another look you might consider too if you need to defend the pass. I know that when I've coached in spread/spred option schemes, the teams that gave us fits ran pressure off the edges like crazy.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
What I meant by SPY was not in relation to PASSING GAME. Some GOOD 50 teams used to play Cover 0 & put the F/S (or your best tackler) 5 yds deep in the middle - taking QB on option (or any other QB run). NOTE: if he read pass - drop back towards middle & help on crossers, or any in-breaking routes.
Vs. the "ZONE READ" option - where the QB options the DE away from the play fake - you would have DE AND F/S waiting for him, ETC.
It was real good vs. Split Back Veer & concept can be used vs. OTHER offenses. If you wish to discuss this concept - PHONE me at 804-378-0116 (from 10 AM/9 PM). I can only type with 1 finger.
We lost. The qb did not hurt as but we fumbled the opening kick-off and they punched it in. They also busted a long TD (70+ yards) in the second quarter and another in the fourth to ice the game.
On the snap, we would rotate one of the safeties down for flat/force, the opposite ILB would have flat/force to the other side. e.g. FS would rotate down and SLB would scrape to force. The SDE would pinch to C gap unless we had a blitz coming. We played cover 3 behind it.
They never go the edge on us as I had feared. They had just two completions, I believe. The same kid scored all three of their TDs (even the one they punched in). We had 1-3 missed tackles on each play that I saw (have not seen tape yet). The scheme was ok, we just did not tackle well enough (and had 4 turnovers).
Thanks for the help all.
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY
When it's all said and done...as has been said many times in JC forums...scheme is great to put your kids into position, but they need to run, catch, block, and tackle. In the end that is what football is. Too bad on the outcome, coach, but chalk it up to experience for now, and get after things next year! Congrats on your season.
Ryan Kelly
Offensive Coordinator
Austin High School
Austin, MN
There is nothing that will show a man's true character like the 2 yard line.
Thanks coach. I have seen the tape now. One mistake that hurt us was the DE let the TE cross his face and get to the PSLB, he then was kicked out by the lead back and an alley opened up. One DB had a shot at him and missed and the kid was gone for a 70 yard TD. They got nothing on designed QB runs or option, so the scheme was ok from that standpoint. They never sustained a drive either, just kept feeding good athletes the ball until someone busted one. Frustrating.
Thanks for all the input.
Scott Orndoff
Varsity Assistant
Williamsville East High School
Williamsville, NY