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CoachScope
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DC stance on Navy option Feb 4, 2010 16:00:53 GMT

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Post by CoachScope on Feb 4, 2010 16:00:53 GMT

At a clinic I heard a Div. 1-AA Defensive Coordinator say that to stop the Navy option scheme (double slot) he will play two 1-techs and 2 5-techs and I believe he said to walk up the OLBs. He said he will never have trouble stopping that offense and if you run it to stop running it. (Obviously Ga. Tech has proven there's more to it than that.) I never got a chance to ask him to explain it in more detail. Do you think this is true? If it is true, is it true for all triple or just that scheme?

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DC stance on Navy option Feb 6, 2010 11:10:45 GMT

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Post by coach schmidt on Feb 6, 2010 11:10:45 GMT

We ran the triple option this season. It was our first year running this offense so I am by no means an expert on the offense. However, to answer your question there are some details left out. A team that runs the option typically has rules that they follow so this alignment wouldn't destroy the team.
By playing the 2 1 techs he seems to be trying to eliminate the midline scheme that they utilize. However, this then opens up the inside veer which they utilize as well. Playing the two A gap players puts pressure on the back side guard and center. The play side guard will either go directly to LB level or combo w/C to LB level. The tackle will inside release to LB level & read the 5 tech and pitch off the walk up OLBs.
The parts that are missing is how is his LB level aligned and how is the secondary aligned. These aspects would determine how the perimeter players block. Then if you have a decent QB that can throw the football, GAME OVER. Can't defend the pass. Key is can the QB throw and WR catch. Very difficult bind for defense.
Then again...who has the chalk last!!!

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DC stance on Navy option Feb 6, 2010 20:20:34 GMT

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Post by jrkelly on Feb 6, 2010 20:20:34 GMT

the 1 one tech's keep the midline and trap under control. covering the tackles cause a veer game fits because it keeps the OT's from downblocking and sealing that lane well. Inside veer can be effective, but if the LB's are able to key that play, it can be shut down too. Frankly, I would say 2 techs would be harder to deal with. I think this would give option problems, but the killer would be toss/sweep. With the OLB's walked up, there is very little alley support on the outside. And, as coach said above, if you can pass...all bets are off. Frankly, you can take away ANY play as long as you are not completely outmanned. Complete offenses, however have answers to those problems.

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CoachScope
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DC stance on Navy option Feb 7, 2010 20:01:13 GMT

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Post by CoachScope on Feb 7, 2010 20:01:13 GMT

Coach, as a defensive coach I like to know as much about what the offense is thinking so since you seem to have a pretty good hold on the option I have a few questions. What is your RB aiming point on the inside veer and the outside veer? Does it change based on fronts and how does stemming affect your reads? and last do you have a set rule for who you read on speed or load option? I know that's a loaded paragraph but I appreciate your help.

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DC stance on Navy option Feb 8, 2010 8:33:52 GMT

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Post by jrkelly on Feb 8, 2010 8:33:52 GMT

Aiming point depends somewhat on your philosophy and formation. Personally, I send my inside veer over the outside cheek of the G and the OS veer directly over the T. I expect my linemen to get out of the way and seal the lane. Launch points may change slightly with alignment, but that would be dealt with in practice after film study. Stemming, etc could affect reads for inexperienced players. Rules are pretty simple, though. Inside veer options the first down lineman outside B gap. Outside veer options the first down lineman outside C gap. Often good option coaches will start to go on quick counts if the defense is trying to move around on him. Load looks like outside veer to me, but the veer back is not an option. he is simply aiming to obliterate the man who would normally be the outside veer option defender. We would still not block him with our line. Speed option would have him blocked with our line, and our veer back leading to the edge to seal.

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DC stance on Navy option Feb 10, 2010 12:23:11 GMT

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Post by FCAGUY on Feb 10, 2010 12:23:11 GMT

Coach:
I like to make things simple. I have run this exact offense for 7 years now. As soon as I see a defense align with 1's & 5s....I tell my tackles to widen the 5's as far as they can possibly take them. Then it is time to have some fun:)

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DC stance on Navy option Feb 11, 2010 9:49:21 GMT

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Post by nblankenship on Feb 11, 2010 9:49:21 GMT

I agree with coop! Running 1s/5s may take away the midline, but you can kill those games w/toss, bellies', midline leads and the iso schemes out of the flex. widening the 5s makes it easy to single them and double inside. Teams did that to us last year (and we had a bad line)and we would beat them w/speed toss, then the iso or midline lead package off guard. Comes down to having adjustments and dudes.

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jrkelly Senior Member Posts: 820	DC stance on Navy option Feb 11, 2010 12:30:01 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jrkelly on Feb 11, 2010 12:30:01 GMT Definitely. in any option game, tell your kids, if you are covered, widen. the wider those lanes get inside, the easier it is to run inside...the option reads become very easy.
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DC stance on Navy option Feb 23, 2010 10:16:27 GMT

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Post by SeekandDestroy on Feb 23, 2010 10:16:27 GMT

It is also important for the linebackers to scrape and also to get the safeties involved in stopping the option phases. Then of course the play action pass needs to be defended also.

The option puts alot of stress on the defense in many areas.

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DC stance on Navy option Aug 3, 2010 12:50:22 GMT

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Post by Oneback on Aug 3, 2010 12:50:22 GMT

IDEAS DEFENDING THE NAVY STYLE OPTION ATTACK:

1. Make things happen quick for the QB — make offense speed up everything they do.

2. Create guessing game so put pressure back on offense.

3. Hits on QB — FB will be key to you winning. ATTACK (create TURNOVERS) — tackle the Fullback LOW (hit him EVERYTIME).

4. Movement before snap.

5. Vary techniques more so than assignments.

6. LESS IS BETTER!

7. Secondary (hungry to be involved in the run).

8. Pre-Season take 4-5 day section to work on the option.

9. Practice Specifics — Half Line

10. Monday — work on option 15 minutes regardless who you play.

11. Run down QB from backside — hit him low from behind.

12. If you are going to read, they are going to read (make all reads post-snap not pre-snap).

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DC stance on Navy option Oct 9, 2010 12:36:27 GMT

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Post by Oneback on Oct 9, 2010 12:36:27 GMT

"4-2 TIGHT/COVER 1" VS. FLEXBONE TRIPLE-OPTION

NOTE: DEFENSIVE ENDS & ILBers USE THE "ADUSTMENT TECHNIQUE" = A NATURAL "X" — MAKING ADJUSTMENT IN GAP RESPONSIBILITY DUE TO CHANGE IN DEFENSIVE END'S ASSIGNMENT:

DEFENSIVE ENDS: LINE UP IN A 5 TECHNIQUE (INSIDE SHOE TO CROTCH OR OUTSIDE FOOT OF THE OT). READ THE OT: 1. IF THE OT BLOCKS DOWN INSIDE — CRASH OFF OT'S BUTT TO B GAP (TACKLE DIVE ON TRIPLE OPTION). 2. IF THE OT BLOCKS YOU — STAY ON HIS OUTSIDE HALF IN C GAP & YOU HAVE "QB UNDER" ON THE OPTION (F/S HAS "QB OVER"). 3. CONTAIN QB ON ALL PASSES (OUTSIDE PASS RUSH).

SAM & MIKE (ILBerS): LINE UP FACING THE B GAP & 4 YARDS DEEP. READ THRU THE B GAP (TO SEE OT'S BLOCK) TO THE NEAR BACK (FOR FLOW). 1. IF THE OT BLOCKS INSIDE & YOU SEE HIS COLOR IN B GAP — SCRAPE TIGHT OFF DE'S BUTT TO C GAP & YOU HAVE "QB UNDER" ON THE OPTION. 2. IF THE OT BLOCKS DE & YOU DO NOT SEE HIS COLOR IN B GAP — FILL QUICKLY ON THE DIVE (ON OR BEHIND THE LOS) FROM OUTSIDE-IN. 3. ON PASSES — NORMAL "COVER 1".

DEFENSIVE TACKLES: LINE UP IN A 1 TECHNIQUE (OUTSIDE SHOE TO CROTCH OF OG). DO NOT GET SPLIT MORE THAN FINGERTIP TOUCH APART. 1. YOU HAVE A GAP RESPONSIBILITY BUT IF THE OG BLOCKS DOWN ON YOU — FIGHT ACROSS HIS FACE & HELP ON DIVE FROM INSIDE-OUT. 2. ON ALL PASSES YOU HAVE INSIDE PASS RUSH.

OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS: LINE UP 2 YDS. OUTSIDE WINGS x 2 YDS. OFF LOS. READ WINGS (#2). IF WING ARCS — TAKE PITCH ON OPTION. IF WING WALLS ILB OR BLOCKS DE— TAKE "QB OVER" ON OPTION (MAKE HIM GET THE BALL OUT OF HIS HANDS QUICK). DROPBACK PASS — LOCK ONTO WING. PLAY ACTION TO YOU — IF WING RELEASES OUTSIDE — COVER HIM M/M; IF WING RELEASES VERTICAL OR CROSSES — LET HIM GO AND TAKE QB. IF WING MOTIONS AWAY AND FLOW GOES AWAY — FOLDS BACK BEHIND DEF. LINE LOOKING FOR CUTBACKS, OR RECEIVERS CROSSING FROM OTHER SIDE.

SECONDARY: COVER 1
A) CORNERS = 2 YDS. INSIDE #1 x 9 YDS. DEEP. STAY INSIDE #1 AT ALL TIMES.
B) FREE SAFETY = 8 YDS. ON THE "POINT" (BALL). VS. MOTION — SLIDE OVER ON OT AND READ #2. IF #2 RELEASES VERTICAL — COVER HIM. IF #2 WALLS ON ILB OR BLOCKS DE — COME UP FOR PITCH ON OPTION. IF #2 ARCS OLB — COME UP FOR "QB OVER" ON OPTION. IF NO MOTION — NORMAL F/S PLAY.

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Post by CoachScope on Feb 4, 2010 16:00:53 GMT

Post by coach schmidt on Feb 6, 2010 11:10:45 GMT

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