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(I can't seem to start a thread in the Option Forum so I'm posting it here)
Coaches,
For those of you that run the Spread Option (balanced formation 2 Xs - 2 WBs) where do you line up your FB? Your WBs? What do you see defensively? How do defenses adjust for wide side? Jump motion?
Is there a comprehensive website on the Georgia Southern Spread Option? If not where can I get the information? Any and all input is appreciated.
Post by Flyin Hawaiian on Jun 12, 2003 19:25:26 GMT
Coach,
We line our fullback's heels at 5 yds. I suppose it could be closer depending on the speed of your fullback, but if he's that slow he shouldn't be playing in the GSU style. They look for strong backs that can give you that +50 yd. run. The slots are in a 3 ft. by 1 ft. split. Some defenses won't adjust to the wide side and some do. When they bump over or you need to run counter option/ counter speed to the backside. Same holds true for people who fly guys to the ball when they see the tail motion of the backside slot back. You also need to throw the backside post or run the midline playside to slow down that alley player. Your P.A. game will help a bunch.
We align our FB with his down hand five and 1/2 feet from the heels of the QB. We use a thin piece of wood that we lay down during spring workouts and the first week of camp to get our FBs in the right position. Every once in a while during the season we will get out the piece of wood to check the postion. From there we make some slight adjustments based on the FBs speed and who we want to carry the ball. A foot back or forward really does influence who will get the ball. Generally stated, the farther back the FB is (within reason) the greater the chance the QB will end up with the ball.
By the way, I just got finished coaching an All-Star team where the QB is one of the 4 or 5 QBs that will be going to G Southern this year. Since GS is so far away from where I live, I am hoping that this kid will be successful so that I will have a great source of info in the next few years.
In our offense the fullbacks heels are at 4 yards, and the wing backs are a yard outside the tackle and a yard back. We line the fullback up closer to explode him into the line of scrimmage, and get quicker hitting plays IE midline.
"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender" - V. Lombardi
When running the option on me, what is the call when you are confronted with a 4-4 stack defense with the following techniques 9, 3, weak 1, and a 5. All LB are stacked. Can we still run the inside option read at the 5 tech, midline or load?
I must agree w/ coach em up. Defenses can load up to stop the option...when you are faced with 8 and 9 man fronts, the option is likely to struggle...there are just too many defenders. I know you can pop one out on occassion, but you have got to present a legitimate passing game to the defense. We run out of a true spread (2x2; 3x1) w/ no WB. If a team tightens their OLB's closer to the box to defend the run, we struggle running the ball. However, it's time to throw. I've been spending the last few days reviewing our game tapes from last year....there were a number of occassions when the defense screwed its alignment down and effectively contained our option game and we needed to throw the ball more....I will be more aware of that this year. pdow
I'm not sure I'm following you....you say that an 8-man front can stop the option? Maybe against a Pro Set, but if you're running spread option, it increases your chances of getting a big play. I don't mean SPREAD as is twins to both sides. You can't run option out of that formation consistantly. I'm talking about two SE's, two WB's and a FB. The only way the 8-man front opponent can stop the option is to get the free-safety involved, opening up the middle of the field for the Play Action Pass, or to whip individual blocks, in which case they'd stop whatever you ran.
You can handle an 8 or 9-man front if you're an OPTION TEAM. But if you're a team that just RUNS OPTION, you can't. Big difference.
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I agree with what you're saying. We are a spread (twin not wing) team who runs the speed option as a change up. Our philosophies on attacking defenses will be a little different.
I think you affirmed by point. No, we do not run a double tight slot option...we do run it out of a true spread look using motions to set the option. My point is that when the defense begins to screw down safeties and presents an 8 man front, the option game, although still a threat, becomes less of an alternative for us and we convert to either play action, sprint out or quick set passes. Keep in mind that when in a 4 wide set and with the defense in a 7 man box with 0 coverage....speed option, midline, inside veer and freeze option are still viable plays...however, we read that as a legitimate opportunity to throw the ball vs. man coverage to one of our best athletes...the pass therefore becomes a better alternative than the option. This year, our offensive line was not very good at run blocking and defenses recognized this and would play with a soft box. This opened up our option game and we succeeded on most occassions with it. The combination of running the option and the ability to throw allowed us to average 420 yds and 35 pts a game. pdow
Do you stay in the balanced look regardless of the hash? In your terminology(s) how wide does the wing have to go to be considered a slot guy (must motion to get into option path)?
I'm trying to blindly figure out these nuts and bolts. Is there good published material on the GSU attack? Can you apply AFA principles to the balanced look?
If they are an even front team who is consistantly putting the 3-tech to the field, you can either bring a TE in and try to force the 3-tech to the boundary, or you can line up balanced and run to the boundary. If you have a strong SE who can sustain a stalk block, running to the boundary sometimes can lead to a good play.
I think it's a matter of preference, really. I think staying balanced will keep the defense honest, but lining up unbalanced can also give you advantages.
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I will stay balanced with a 2x2 and I will also set trips to the field and, at times, to the boundary. Where we run the option is determined by defensive alignment...inside veer to the tighter tackle or away from the invert....freeze option to the tighter tackle...midline to the wider tackle...lead (load) option to a reduce front. Motion is used in a variety of ways depending on whether it's zone or man coverage and at times the motion man will drop to pitch position or he will wall off the PLB'er and the stationary inside receiver will establish the pitch profile (inside veer). I mix the formations and motions and adjust based on what the defense does. pdow
Coach, We line up our Fb 5 yards off the ball. Strictly a 2x2 no-huddle set.
Good book on spread offense id coaching football's spread offense by tim stowers(university of RI) and barry butzer. The detail their basic run package. The use a half dozen or so runs and strictly run option. Another great coach running the GSU system is Coach Johnson at Navy. He is the man in that arena.
We run the same set up and run option exclusively. ML, Veer, Speed, Counter, and Wide Veer. Our no-huddle allows us to read defenses and call motions, shifts, and plays from the sideline or on me for our qb. And we run that wide vesus 8 man fronts with great success. Of course if they are really aggressive we go to our quick,screen, and PA games.
A question about the quick passing game - What pass routes are staples for the 2x2 spread? What about when you go 3 X 1? Currently we use the tree and call each pattern from left to right. Yeah..you got it...confusing. Do you guys name your combos (smash, coffin, curl, etc..)? And if you do, is it easier? Can you describe what these combos are for the 2 x 2 and 3 x 1?
Just so you know our passing game is strictly 3 step, sprint out, PA, and Quick 1 step. Remember we are no-huddle and use wrist bands. Our slots are 1 yardX1 yard off our tackle with the SEs between 12 and 17 yards from the slots. We use number to identify the route combinations in the 2x2 and 3x1. We run between 3-5 different combinations in the 2X2. Some of my best over the years have been our (stated in Slots/SE or inside out) Banana/Slants, Seam/Hitch, Banana/Fade, arrow/arrow. We then run plays like (seam/hitch-and go) off of all the with hand signals. Our third receiver to the side runs a combination route that changes from week to week or defensive scheme. If a team rotates to C3 on motion or shift our kids make the read and a call out load to the qb so we are on the same page. In the 3x1 we like to pick on the #4 kid. We rub him Banana/Slant/Slant or throw quicks (bubble screen) at him in the 3X1. Our single kid will get alot of looks on rotating or man coverage like the slant, hitch, slant corner.
We run the same packaged routes to each side out of our 2x2 spread (2 SE, 2 WB) alignment. The plays are called 90 (indicating three step protection) then the routes, outside in. So a typical call might be 90 fade/out. Our most successful combos are slant/out, hitch/seam, and hitch/quick smash. The QBs make a pre-snap read and work to one side only. The read is the flat defender in most cases.
We also will motion a SE or wingback and run bunch type routes like mesh. Again, the initial QB read is the flat defender to the 3 receiver side. We also will throw slant or fade to the one receiver side if we see that the defense is cheating that way or we feel we have a personnel mismatch on that side.