B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking

LedgerSko
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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 17, 2003 7:54:08 GMT

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Post by LedgerSko on Sept 17, 2003 7:54:08 GMT

Hey guys. At my school we have always been a zone pass blocking team. We have never had much trouble at all with protecting the QB. All 5 linemen protect their inside gap and the 2 backs protect the outside C gaps. They then on occasion check release depending on the play we are running.

Anyway I have been reading some of Coach C's material where he talks about his B.O.B. philosophy. I have been reading it and I have been understanding it but in some cases it seems alot more complicated than it needs to be.

My question is whaty type of pass blocking do you guys use and what reasons do you have for using them? Also for the coaches who do coach the B.O.B principle how hard is it to implement?

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northstang Member Posts: 58	B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 17, 2003 19:52:44 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by northstang on Sept 17, 2003 19:52:44 GMT We are a BOB team. We use it because we are a 4-wide team so we need to use 5 and 6 man protections. We have no problems getting it taught, it just takes a lot of reps; just like most things.

LedgerSko Senior Member Posts: 316	B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 17, 2003 20:32:06 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by LedgerSko on Sept 17, 2003 20:32:06 GMT What problems if any have you come across?
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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 17, 2003 21:01:31 GMT

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Post by pdow27 on Sept 17, 2003 21:01:31 GMT

Ledger -

Twists and cross stunts can present problems for BOB protection if you don't work on them daily...we've been using BOB protection for a couple of years now...it has worked well. We are a 1-back team and we place our F back in the role of determining the protection...essentially, he looks at the front and makes a call based on the alignment of the defense...he will tell the center which side to protect and the center will then work w/ the call side G and T....the F and backside G and T will protect the other side using BOB principle. If facing a 7 man threat, we will check to a blitz route...sprint out...or screen to attack the blitz...however, at least where I'm at, few teams typically send more than 6...sometimes, but not often. Don't know if this helps...would be glad to discuss further. pdow

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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 18, 2003 8:30:05 GMT

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Post by LedgerSko on Sept 18, 2003 8:30:05 GMT

I like the principles of the B.O.B but I am wondering if it is more or less beneficial than a zone blocking scheme. With zone pass protection slants and twists and stunts are easy to block against because all the line has to do is step inside and block whoever comes at them. The only difficulties with it are if a team tries to overload a side where they send 4 where you have only 3 to protect while the otherside of the line has a man free.

So is it then a matter of pick your poison? With zone blocking principles you are vulnerable to an overload blitz where you just cant pick everyone up. With B.O.B you are vulnerable to twists and stunts.

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northstang
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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 20, 2003 20:22:32 GMT

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Post by northstang on Sept 20, 2003 20:22:32 GMT

We have never gotten a stunt that our BOB rules don't allow us to block. Basically our PSG, PST and RB are the front side protectors, and the C, BSG, and BST are the back side protectors. The RB has to double read if there is a 4 man threat playside and either the C or BSG, whoever is uncovered, double read on the backside.

We don't protect with the cup and fill on each side because we are a 4 wide team and we only use 6 man protection.

LedgerSko Senior Member Posts: 316	B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 21, 2003 20:50:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by LedgerSko on Sept 21, 2003 20:50:24 GMT Do you swtich on stunts or twists?
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northstang Member Posts: 58	B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 22, 2003 2:59:12 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by northstang on Sept 22, 2003 2:59:12 GMT We switch on twists.

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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 22, 2003 4:16:53 GMT

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Post by Coach Campbell on Sept 22, 2003 4:16:53 GMT

Switch should take place only when both adjacent linemen are still at the same level with each other. Whenever each other can bump into the other the switch should take place. If both loose the same level with each other then they should stay with their B.O.B. lineman. Coach CAmpbell

northstang Member Posts: 58	B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 22, 2003 20:16:49 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by northstang on Sept 22, 2003 20:16:49 GMT Thanks for clarifying that Coach Campbell. I should have gone into greater detail.

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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Sept 23, 2003 10:18:39 GMT

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Post by Kickset on Sept 23, 2003 10:18:39 GMT

I think in todays game there is no true BOB or ZONE protection any longer. If anytime, the only true BOB principles might be considered against a Bear Front or front where every down linemen is covered, as well as the only ZONE protection might exist in the Sprint Out realm. Every protection now worth its salt is a hybrid: BOB and Sort, Man & Fan, Bob and Slide, etc... all terms for the same protection. All dropback protections in soundness should stem from these principles. The new or I should say under utilized terminology in the game today is "MDM" protection or Most Dangerous Man. Someone mentioned assigning their linemen the inside gap and pushing the backs to the edge of the LOS respectively, aren't you losing either a gap or a man in this scheme? When you man one side and slide the other you have the capability to protect against 6 w/o a TE and in one back, and 7 with 2 backs, no TE or TE and one back. This is about as max as you can get and provides for easy trades and switches. Respectfully submitted.

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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Oct 20, 2003 11:18:50 GMT

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Post by coachzilly on Oct 20, 2003 11:18:50 GMT

We have had lots of success with a combination of the two especially on play action where we zone to the play side stepping down and sealing to the inside, and BOB on the backside with the tackle kicking out to that troublesome backside DE and the guard and center working on the combination of 1 technique and Mike backer that if he shows.

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B.O.B or Zone Pass Blocking Oct 20, 2003 15:59:04 GMT

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Post by jm on Oct 20, 2003 15:59:04 GMT

We also run a modified BOB system. The Guard sets the blocking for the callside(BIG or FAN), and the Center sets the blocking for the backside(Man or FAN). No matter what system you like, there are times that you have to make adjustments. This past week we had a "Tuff Right" and "Tuff Left" call that we used to bring the Center to the call side. We haven't used this call in two years but needed to this game. So whatever system you are using, you will need to make adjustments whether it is based on Zone principles or BOB principles. Get a system that you believe in, stick with it, and make the adjustments that you need to. Your kids will believe in it and execute it well.

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Post by LedgerSko on Sept 17, 2003 7:54:08 GMT

Post by northstang on Sept 17, 2003 19:52:44 GMT

Post by LedgerSko on Sept 17, 2003 20:32:06 GMT

Post by pdow27 on Sept 17, 2003 21:01:31 GMT

Post by LedgerSko on Sept 18, 2003 8:30:05 GMT

Post by northstang on Sept 20, 2003 20:22:32 GMT

Post by LedgerSko on Sept 21, 2003 20:50:24 GMT

Post by northstang on Sept 22, 2003 2:59:12 GMT

Post by Coach Campbell on Sept 22, 2003 4:16:53 GMT

Post by northstang on Sept 22, 2003 20:16:49 GMT

Post by Kickset on Sept 23, 2003 10:18:39 GMT

Post by coachzilly on Oct 20, 2003 11:18:50 GMT

Post by jm on Oct 20, 2003 15:59:04 GMT

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