Quick passing vs. Cover 2

Silverback
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Quick passing vs. Cover 2 Oct 16, 2003 19:25:48 GMT

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Post by Silverback on Oct 16, 2003 19:25:48 GMT

Coach C,

I am actually addressing everyone here, but I'd like your 2 cents Coach. Our team has a very extensive quick passing game. It includes:

Hitch/Seam, All Hitch, Slant/Flat, Slant/Seam, Slant/Wheel, 5-Slant/3-Hitch, Fade/Flat/Choice, and 3-Hitch/7-Corner.

We generally run 3 Step Hitch/7 Yard Corner....or....Fade/Flat/Choice...or...Slant/Seam vs. teams who insist on staying in Cover 2.

Most teams we can force into Cover 3 by putting twins into the boundary and motioning our TB out of the backfield into doubles (we are a base gun 2 RB's, 3 WR's team).

Some teams just stick in cover 2 though, and I'd like to know any better quick passing combos and the specific points you teach to the QB. Our 3 step Hitch/ 7 yard Corner route is very productive for us, especially when accompanied by a quick PA across the QB's face the other way. But, I think there is more we could be doing.

I was thinking a 7 yard In / 1-step Slant (almost like a splitter route: 1 step then right for the opposite uprights) combo might be good, because it would pull the SAM inward, and still keep the playside safety from crushing the 7-yard In.

Please let me know if you've seen any great combos. We play in a conference where most teams have 1.5 times as many kids as we do, so generally we are out athleticized. Don't get me wrong, we have the best QB in NC, and a TB that is small, but ran a 4.36 twice in a row at the shriners combine. Unfortunately, linemen are fair, and the wide receivers really lack top speed to stretch the defense, so they rely on great routes (have a very good coach (not me)), and understanding how to get open. When we play teams who are silly enough to sit in cover 3 it is all over, but many just man-free blitz(still very successful vs. this), or stick in Cover 2.

I know we should really just run when they are in Cover 2, but I am asking for the knowledge... and because our head coach is pass happy.

Thanks for any insight Coach.

A Coach and Lifelong Student,

Coach H

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airman Senior Member Posts: 280	Quick passing vs. Cover 2 Oct 17, 2003 9:34:16 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by airman on Oct 17, 2003 9:34:16 GMT if you have dan robinson and adrew coverdale's 3 series book on the quick passing game they have what is call a short route and it is setup to beat cover 2. also, the stick route is another route which is good verses all coverages.

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Quick passing vs. Cover 2 Oct 17, 2003 9:43:29 GMT

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Post by coachchad on Oct 17, 2003 9:43:29 GMT

you could try squeezing the splits on the twins side and motion the back towards them to create tips. Now you have a bunch set. The outside man runs a flat route or an outside release fade. The inside man runs a drag or a sit down route to the inside. The motion man runs out as though trailing the flat route, then arrows back up the seam. There should be a nice little window for him to catch the ball. This might be better to the wide side though.

mg Member Posts: 117	Quick passing vs. Cover 2 Oct 17, 2003 11:37:07 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by mg on Oct 17, 2003 11:37:07 GMT Seam by the number two receiver 5yd in route by the outside receiver, or double slants. If they are giving you a cover two triangle (three defenders over two) I would run the ball.

Silverback Junior Member Posts: 6	Quick passing vs. Cover 2 Oct 17, 2003 20:43:37 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Silverback on Oct 17, 2003 20:43:37 GMT Thanks airman, Coachdad and MG...I appreciate the help. Coachdad, I believe you are describing Coverdale's Bunch Mesh with an arrow tag. We actually run that, and it works well for us. I appreciate all the insights.
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Quick passing vs. Cover 2 May 30, 2004 20:46:15 GMT

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Post by Oneback on May 30, 2004 20:46:15 GMT

The GREAT 3 step passing teams in the NFL & Division 1 (possible exception of Purdue's "DOUBLE SLANT"; and "FADE/FLAT" passes) do not make a living with the 3 step game vs. Cover 2. The 3 step game was designed PRINCIPALLY to defeat 1 on 1 coverage with "off" corners. I know Dan Robinson very well (he has been a guest in my home on two occassions) & as good a job as he (& Coverdale) do with the 3 step game - I think he would agree that there are better ways to handle cover 2.
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Quick passing vs. Cover 2 May 30, 2004 21:29:02 GMT

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Post by dsqa on May 30, 2004 21:29:02 GMT

Hey Coach,
Just another thought if you are trying to dictate coverage - I agree with the motion to trips. Out of your base set Pro with split backs motion your H back to the strong side and force man to the the trips side, if they stay in cover two run your H back or TE in the seam tight to hold the safety and run your quick combos with the other two receivers - the delay package with the fullback to the trips side is also very effective trailing the vertical just outside the TE - the LB vacates to cover the hook zone and it can leave a large hole. Lining up in Trips strong will give you either man free, a walked backer - You can go 1 on 1 backside with quick - ins, verticals etc. I have lined up in trips with the TE off the line and motioned across to doubles - you can catch unprepared teams not making proper adjustments because it isn't a wideout. Good Luck.

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Quick passing vs. Cover 2 Sept 9, 2004 5:18:08 GMT

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Post by CoachRob76 on Sept 9, 2004 5:18:08 GMT

We play a cover 2 team that never comes out of it. We have had some success using a little quick play action. We fake a quick give/dive to the F back. We run a Bump One (delayed out) with the TE and have the Flanker to that side run a Fade. If the corner runs with the Fade we hit the Bump One, if the corner squats on the Bump One, the QB hits the Fade in the dead spot between the corner and hash safety.

Also, I know this is not really a quick pass but works off of it. We run slant routes as well, it is one of our better plays, but against Cover 2 you are just asking for trouble. One running plays we have our receiver stalk the hash safeties. Then we come back with the play action, fake dive/give, and run a slant and up. The receiver angles at the safety like he is going to stalk and then breaks it straight up the hash. We have used this with some success as well, it helps to keep those safeties honest.

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Quick passing vs. Cover 2 Sept 9, 2004 9:01:23 GMT

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Post by TIGER ONE on Sept 9, 2004 9:01:23 GMT

Coach,

You may want to try having your TE run an arrow straight down the hash at the SS. Run an 18 yd. post corner instead of a fade with your Flanker. You will have the strong in a bind as he has to honor the TE who is driving right at him. The Flanker drives 10 yds at the outside shoulder of the RCB, then takes him inside 3 full steps and back out on the post corner for 5 (18 yd. PC) Normally, if he isn't influenced properly, he will roll over to honor the flanker breaking behind the CB and the ball is delivered in the lane created by the CB and himself. But, here he can't do that, as he has to honor the TE. We influence the FS (backside hash) by having the SE run a broken arrow (skinny post) that he must honor that will prevent him from rolling to the middle, thus you have created a one on one with the RCB. We run this out of the "I" and put the TB in jet motion to the liz side(open side) and pull him when he is deep to the sideline boundary, where he then hooks it up and runs a vertical.
If you run it with a slot to playside, then the Flanker will run his fade, and the slot should be coached to make sight adjustment. Of course, this is not a 3 step quick throw pattern, but imo you can't beat an 18 yd. post corner against cover # 2 for effectiveness! If you are really being pressured to get the ball away in a hurry, 7 yd. speed out by your TE(flat) with Flanker fade and slot sight adjustment(take what they give you). I run a spread formation with trips to the frontside and twins to the backside that prevent these defenses from staying in any one preconceived cover scheme for very long. Best of luck to you and your team!

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Post by Silverback on Oct 16, 2003 19:25:48 GMT

Post by airman on Oct 17, 2003 9:34:16 GMT

Post by coachchad on Oct 17, 2003 9:43:29 GMT

Post by mg on Oct 17, 2003 11:37:07 GMT

Post by Silverback on Oct 17, 2003 20:43:37 GMT

Post by Oneback on May 30, 2004 20:46:15 GMT

Post by dsqa on May 30, 2004 21:29:02 GMT

Post by CoachRob76 on Sept 9, 2004 5:18:08 GMT

Post by TIGER ONE on Sept 9, 2004 9:01:23 GMT

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